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[Cain]

Thank you for the honest answers.

Now, for the question we've all been wondering about: will you seek reconciliation with the freelancers and employees who have left, or will you try and replace them with new talent? Understandably, we'd prefer that you stick with the capable people you had; but if not, do you have a plan to guarantee the direction of Shadowrun without some very key people who have helped it for a very long time?

[JM Hardy]

Thank you for the honest answers.

Now, for the question we've all been wondering about: will you seek reconciliation with the freelancers and employees who have left, or will you try and replace them with new talent? Understandably, we'd prefer that you stick with the capable people you had; but if not, do you have a plan to guarantee the direction of Shadowrun without some very key people who have helped it for a very long time?

I'm pretty sure my relationship with freelancers is between me and the freelancers. But yes, I have a plan. It continues to adapt, as it has to, but there is one.

Jason H.

[Patrick Goodman]

Now, for the question we've all been wondering about: will you seek reconciliation with the freelancers and employees who have left, or will you try and replace them with new talent? Understandably, we'd prefer that you stick with the capable people you had; but if not, do you have a plan to guarantee the direction of Shadowrun without some very key people who have helped it for a very long time?

I will preface this by saying that I am hardly one of the key freelancers in the current crew.

That said, after I had announced my decision to him to leave the CGL freelancer stable, Jason immediately told me that he understood my decision to stop freelancing for the company, and at the same time told me (without hesitation) that the door was always open and he hoped to be able to work with me in the future. If he's taking that tack with the other freelancers who've left, I'd have to say that he's going to seek reconciliation.

I will say in closing, however, that I'm also not Jason and I could be reading an awful lot into our exchange from last week.

[Patrick Goodman]

I'm pretty sure my relationship with freelancers is between me and the freelancers. But yes, I have a plan. It continues to adapt, as it has to, but there is one.

Oh, crap.

Well, I'm not one to redact posts...but if I spoke out of turn here, hoss, I'm sorry.

[Ancient History]

Don't feel bad Padraig. Some of us prefer to burn our bridges.

[Cain]

Posted in another thread by Cardul. Moved here at Bull's request.

You know...Shadowrun has been around since before Adam did layout on it. Since Jennifer Harding was a writer, and
since before the current crop of freelancers and artists. Really, what is the big deal? People quit for various reasons all the time, and it does not really change the game(much).

Can't speak about Jennifer Harding much, but let me tell you a story, sonny-boy.

Waaay back in the day, there was a special place on the web called the Shadowrun Archive. It was the first place for Shadowrun fans to gather, and one of the earliest places on the nascent Internet dedicated to a RPG other than D&D. And one of the more steady contributions was a column called "From the Jury's Bench", written by our own Adam Jury. That's right, before there was Google, Adam Jury was contributing to Shadowrun. He also did the Shadowrun Supplemental, an early online fanzine. The Archive eventually melded with the ShadowRN mailing list, and formed an early set of forums, called the Deep Resonance.

See where this is headed?

To date, Adam, Bull, and myself are about all that's left from those early days. I don't think but maybe five Dumpshockers (including us three) would remember the original Archive and the Deep Resonance Forums, let alone have posted there. Adam has been an active contributor to Shadowrun for almost all of its existence. The thought of Shadowrun without some additions by Adam Jury flies in the face of the way things have been for close to twenty years. And in this case, change is a bad thing. Adam is skilled at more than layout: he has influenced many generations of fans with his skilled writing. To lose that is indeed a tragedy.

[toturi]

To date, Adam, Bull, and myself are about all that's left from those early days. I don't think but maybe five Dumpshockers (including us three) would remember the original Archive and the Deep Resonance Forums, let alone have posted there. Adam has been an active contributor to Shadowrun for almost all of its existence. The thought of Shadowrun without some additions by Adam Jury flies in the face of the way things have been for close to twenty years. And in this case, change is a bad thing. Adam is skilled at more than layout: he has influenced many generations of fans with his skilled writing. To lose that is indeed a tragedy.

God, Cain, that's so old school, it's pre-school! I remember the Archives and Deep Resonance but the internet here was then so nascent I only managed a post or 2. I agree that losing Adam is a big blow to my confidence in the product.

[Patrick Goodman]

To date, Adam, Bull, and myself are about all that's left from those early days. I don't think but maybe five Dumpshockers (including us three) would remember the original Archive and the Deep Resonance Forums, let alone have posted there.

I didn't have a lot to do with the Archive, but I was a member of the ShadowRN mailing list for a long while, and I did more than my share of rambling on Deep Resonance.

You do, in fact, predate me, but not by a lot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Malachi]

I was an avid reader of Adam's columns from the old Shadowrun Archive. Although I wasn't on the forums, I used to hang out in the old #Shadowrun channel on... Undernet I think. I also ran, and participated in a few games via IRC. Those were indeed, the old days.

[Mongoose]

To date, Adam, Bull, and myself are about all that's left from those early days. I don't think but maybe five Dumpshockers (including us three) would remember the original Archive and the Deep Resonance Forums, let alone have posted there.

More than 5. I actually made one of the ShaodowRN t-shirts- on a 386.

[Bull]

More than 5. I actually made one of the ShaodowRN t-shirts- on a 386.

Man, I miss those shirts (The grey ones, with the Celtic looking symbol that was a mix of a gear and biohazard symbols). I had three of them, and I wore them till they fell apart (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'd love to do a new one one of these days (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Bull

[MJBurrage]

Another old-timer here. I've been playing since just before the first edition was released (my GM was a player in one of the play-test groups). Been a web lurker since the first sites went live.

MJBurrage is actually my second account here. Sometime in the past I had an account under either Vanguard or Bulwark (past names of characters), but wanting to post something back in 2007, I could not recall a working combination of username and password, and started the current account.

Speaking of the old days and Adam:

• FASA Closing FAQ (by Adam)

[The Jake]

Posted in another thread by Cardul. Moved here at Bull's request.


Can't speak about Jennifer Harding much, but let me tell you a story, sonny-boy.

Waaay back in the day, there was a special place on the web called the Shadowrun Archive. It was the first place for Shadowrun fans to gather, and one of the earliest places on the nascent Internet dedicated to a RPG other than D&D. And one of the more steady contributions was a column called "From the Jury's Bench", written by our own Adam Jury. That's right, before there was Google, Adam Jury was contributing to Shadowrun. He also did the Shadowrun Supplemental, an early online fanzine. The Archive eventually melded with the ShadowRN mailing list, and formed an early set of forums, called the Deep Resonance.

See where this is headed?

To date, Adam, Bull, and myself are about all that's left from those early days. I don't think but maybe five Dumpshockers (including us three) would remember the original Archive and the Deep Resonance Forums, let alone have posted there. Adam has been an active contributor to Shadowrun for almost all of its existence. The thought of Shadowrun without some additions by Adam Jury flies in the face of the way things have been for close to twenty years. And in this case, change is a bad thing. Adam is skilled at more than layout: he has influenced many generations of fans with his skilled writing. To lose that is indeed a tragedy.

I was there in those days. And yes, I agree 100%.

- J.

[Cain]

God, Cain, that's so old school, it's pre-school! I remember the Archives and Deep Resonance but the internet here was then so nascent I only managed a post or 2. I agree that losing Adam is a big blow to my confidence in the product.

Pre-school for you, maybe. I remember surfing the internet using a program called Turbogopher. Now *that* is ancient!

However, I fully agree with you: Shadowrun has had Adam for so long, it won't be the same if he's not doing something for the game.

I didn't have a lot to do with the Archive, but I was a member of the ShadowRN mailing list for a long while, and I did more than my share of rambling on Deep Resonance.

You do, in fact, predate me, but not by a lot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

No snark: Are you part of the 1989 club as well? That's when I got my first Big Blue Book.

More than 5. I actually made one of the ShaodowRN t-shirts- on a 386.

I may have underestimated slightly. Fortune used to be here when it was Deep Resonance, but I haven't seen him post in quite a while. Other than that, I can't actually name anyone who's still around. I kinda miss the days of ThatPaolo, Dvixen, mistress of the BanHammer, and when Bull would SMITE!™ your right testicle for mouthing off in his personal sub-forum. There's a certain legacy here, one that would be lost if we lose any of the longstanding greats.

[tete]

To date, Adam, Bull, and myself are about all that's left from those early days. I don't think but maybe five Dumpshockers (including us three) would remember the original Archive and the Deep Resonance Forums, let alone have posted there. Adam has been an active contributor to Shadowrun for almost all of its existence. The thought of Shadowrun without some additions by Adam Jury flies in the face of the way things have been for close to twenty years. And in this case, change is a bad thing. Adam is skilled at more than layout: he has influenced many generations of fans with his skilled writing. To lose that is indeed a tragedy.

I was around, I used a different screen name back then. I started using tete in 96 or 97 after a pizza guy couldnt get my name right and all my friends started calling me tete. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) I also might have been a bigger jerk back then... I mellowed with age but I still have my moments of jerkdom. I started my internet escapades with a 2400 baud modem, msdos 4.0 and prodigy.

[edit] I also thought I was almost l33t. Knowing what I know now, I didn't know jack. Ahh silly high schoolers.

[hobgoblin]

I was an avid reader of Adam's columns from the old Shadowrun Archive. Although I wasn't on the forums, I used to hang out in the old #Shadowrun channel on... Undernet I think. I also ran, and participated in a few games via IRC. Those were indeed, the old days.

i think i found said channel first, then someone linked to the forum.

btw, this was when the forum was somewhere between brown and pink, iirc.

[Matsci]

No snark: Are you part of the 1989 club as well? That's when I got my first Big Blue Book.

Cain, I was born in 1989. You have been playing Shadowrun as long as I have been alive, or longer, depending on the month.

[Mongoose]

Man, I miss those shirts (The grey ones, with the Celtic looking symbol that was a mix of a gear and biohazard symbols). I had three of them, and I wore them till they fell apart (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'd love to do a new one one of these days (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Bull

I've still got the file (for the front, at least). I've considered putting it on cafe press, along with some similar art I did in the same vein. It looks a bit dated by todays graphics standards, but I've tried some variations that are higher res and multiple shades of grey.

I may have underestimated slightly. Fortune used to be here when it was Deep Resonance, but I haven't seen him post in quite a while. Other than that, I can't actually name anyone who's still around. I kinda miss the days of ThatPaolo, Dvixen, mistress of the BanHammer, and when Bull would SMITE!™ your right testicle for mouthing off in his personal sub-forum. There's a certain legacy here, one that would be lost if we lose any of the longstanding greats.

I'm honestly surprised there's as many still around as there are. I haven't played in years, and mostly drop in to keep tabs on the game, and on old players. But I think this board speaks to the fact that new blood can keep and old cyborg healthy long past 0 essence...

[Cain]

I was around, I used a different screen name back then. I started using tete in 96 or 97 after a pizza guy couldnt get my name right and all my friends started calling me tete. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) I also might have been a bigger jerk back then... I mellowed with age but I still have my moments of jerkdom. I started my internet escapades with a 2400 baud modem, msdos 4.0 and prodigy.

I started on a C64 and CompuServe. That was about twenty-five years ago or so. And I used to think I was so hot, since I knew some BASIC. Holy cow, that was a long time ago!

Cain, I was born in 1989. You have been playing Shadowrun as long as I have been alive, or longer, depending on the month.

Don't worry, it's not the years, it's the mileage. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm honestly surprised there's as many still around as there are. I haven't played in years, and mostly drop in to keep tabs on the game, and on old players. But I think this board speaks to the fact that new blood can keep and old cyborg healthy long past 0 essence...

Don't count us old timers out just yet. There's a lot we can share with the new players; they can get the benefit of what we have to offer and still find their own way to have fun with Shadowrun. That's why losing Adam Jury is such a big deal to Catalyst: they lost part of the heart and soul of the game.

[Dread Moores]

To date, Adam, Bull, and myself are about all that's left from those early days. I don't think but maybe five Dumpshockers (including us three) would remember the original Archive and the Deep Resonance Forums, let alone have posted there.

I think there's a few more than that. I can think of an oversized handful at least that don't post a lot frequently now, but are still about and reading who've been here since the Archive days, myself included. (Although not under this name.)

[HappyDaze]

But yes, I have a plan.

In BSG, the cyclons were said to have a plan too. They even made a movie of the same name to explore it. It was crap.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

Great, now this thread turned out to be a reunion of a bunch of Old People™ remembering the Old Days™ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
I can't claim I'm that old though, I was only 6 years old when Shadowrun came out and would only hear about it 7 years later when Devir translated the second edition, The Urban Samurai Catalog and Metagene (whom I own all three), of course it was my early teenage years and we would all play what I know now it is called pink-mowhawk.
Nothing like shooting from the top of a van with a HMG putting wasp choppers down while driving in downtown seattle. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Stahlseele]

You guys are older than dirt O.o
But at least, you're not the kind of old that's telling us to get off the lawn ^^

[Bull]

Cain's got me bit by a bit. I made my first SR Character in high school in 1990. I didn't buy my own copy of SR till SR2 came out. I first got online in... '95? Early '96? It all blurs togther.

I need a new hobby (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Cain's got me bit by a bit. I made my first SR Character in high school in 1990. I didn't buy my own copy of SR till SR2 came out. I first got online in... '95? Early '96? It all blurs togther.

I need a new hobby (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Try Megamek. It's Battletech completely without Books.