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Cain
post Mar 28 2010, 06:32 PM
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Okay, after recent events, some question has come up about how the moderating staff does things and why they do it.

Speaking as someone who's taken warnings before, I received two warnings in the same day for essentially the same thing: saying one word (not a PA, not even snark) to a Shadowrun notable. I don't want to post the details in public, but I will send them to anyone who asks in a PM. At least one mod has gone on record to say that the moderation is uneven. Some people have felt targeted by the mods, and even go so far as to state that they feel like Dumpshock is kowtowing to the official CGL party line. At the very least, the thread that was temporarily locked and then reopened would not have been locked at all if the private communication were from WotC.

I think we all agree that this is a bad thing. Dumpshock should be inviting to all. And while I can respect the fact that the mod team does the best they can in that regard, something needs to change.

First of all, I suggest that they increase the size of the mod team. Bull has said publically there are only 6 active mods right now. That seems low. We need more, and we can get them the same way we got the last batch: via recruitment drive.

Second, I suggest that there be an appeals process put in place, so people can challenge mod calls. This can be done via email, if need be. If a decision was made in haste, it may seem too harsh after a good night's sleep. I also suggest that public discussion (via the News forum) be available so other people can chime in.

Will these solve the issues? Probably not completely. But I think it's a place to start.
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post Mar 29 2010, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (Frank)
Changes that Randall Bills has said that he has received a sign from God that he will not make


QUOTE (ToS)
1. Personal attacks, flaming, trolling, and baiting are prohibited. This includes any form of racism, sexism or religious intolerance.


QUOTE (Frank)
So to have a mormon moderator give me not just one, but two warnings...

The first warning was for the much more expressive post previous to this which was most definitely a ToS violation. The Second warning was for coming back after I took you off the ban I and others did not think you'd earned, and you continued with what I'd just warned you for.

QUOTE (Frank)
Individual moderators are allowed to go off on vindictive tirades

Not individual. As with other violations, it went up for review by others. Following up on a Warning we told you we would issue if you continued is no where near vindictive. Nor does three sentences constitute a tirade.

I do agree that you should have been able to respond. I did not realize that the method I was using was going to shoot you a no-response e-mail. Simply did not think about it. However, my e-mail is available and you don't have to be able to log in to see it.
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- Cain   Moderation on Dumpshock   Mar 28 2010, 06:32 PM
- - nezumi   These sound like reasonable ideas. I'm not sur...   Mar 28 2010, 08:15 PM
- - fistandantilus4.0   To give you a general idea of how a ban or warning...   Mar 28 2010, 09:34 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (fistandantilus4.0 @ Mar 28 2010, 01...   Mar 29 2010, 05:19 AM
- - Method   I concur with those above. Nothing would kill pro...   Mar 28 2010, 10:34 PM
- - fistandantilus4.0   His comeback post is being looked at as well. Basi...   Mar 28 2010, 10:48 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Everything Cain is saying is true. And then some. ...   Mar 29 2010, 06:26 AM
- - krainboltgreene   As someone who has done this extensively let me le...   Mar 29 2010, 10:10 AM
|- - Cardul   QUOTE (krainboltgreene @ Mar 29 2010, 05...   Mar 29 2010, 11:55 AM
- - Stahlseele   And it's much less fun to post there. *pouts*   Mar 29 2010, 11:57 AM
|- - Dread Moores   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 29 2010, 06:57 AM...   Mar 31 2010, 05:07 AM
- - nezumi   Are moderator e-mail addresses posted somewhere on...   Mar 29 2010, 12:13 PM
- - krainboltgreene   QUOTE (Cardul @ Mar 29 2010, 04:55 AM) Re...   Mar 29 2010, 01:36 PM
- - fistandantilus4.0   Mine is. First, to Cain, I personally try to mak...   Mar 29 2010, 01:45 PM
- - FrankTrollman   And because of the frankly bullshit email from no-...   Mar 29 2010, 02:46 PM
- - fistandantilus4.0   QUOTE (Frank)Changes that Randall Bills has said t...   Mar 29 2010, 03:09 PM
- - Cain   Well, I don't know how you guys do things here...   Mar 29 2010, 03:29 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Fist)I do agree that you should have been a...   Mar 29 2010, 04:26 PM
|- - Dr. Funkenstein   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Mar 29 2010, 10:26...   Mar 30 2010, 05:55 AM
- - Wandering One   New here, yes, but to the subject of contacting ad...   Mar 29 2010, 05:36 PM
- - Valashar   QUOTE (fistandantilus4.0 @ Mar 29 2010, 07...   Mar 29 2010, 06:16 PM
- - DireRadiant   Log out Go to main page Click on The Moderating Te...   Mar 29 2010, 06:27 PM
- - Valashar   A javascript-enabled link buried at least two leve...   Mar 29 2010, 06:45 PM
- - Sponge   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Mar 29 2010, 10:46...   Mar 29 2010, 08:19 PM
|- - Caine Hazen   QUOTE (Sponge @ Mar 29 2010, 04:19 PM) Yo...   Mar 29 2010, 11:23 PM
- - fistandantilus4.0   Thank you, you're right, there are definitely ...   Mar 29 2010, 10:36 PM
- - Bull   Also, to address Cain's comment about our Mod ...   Mar 29 2010, 11:45 PM
- - Bull   I should also note that as of this weekend, I step...   Mar 29 2010, 11:48 PM
- - ker'ion   Perhaps a "Contact an Administrator" lin...   Mar 30 2010, 04:09 AM
- - KCKitsune   Rather than having an email address that can be sp...   Mar 30 2010, 06:49 AM
|- - nezumi   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 30 2010, 02:49 AM)...   Mar 30 2010, 10:53 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE (fistandantilus4.0 @ Mar 29 2010, 03...   Mar 30 2010, 07:18 AM
- - fistandantilus4.0   It should go without saying that Doc's getting...   Mar 30 2010, 11:54 PM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (fistandantilus4.0 @ Mar 30 2010, 07...   Mar 31 2010, 04:13 AM
- - Freejack   Just a quick scan of the rpg.net forums, at the bo...   Mar 31 2010, 02:42 AM
- - ker'ion   Just butting in here for another post... Describi...   Mar 31 2010, 09:55 AM
- - nezumi   As an aside, anyone notice that, with the title of...   Mar 31 2010, 10:47 AM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (nezumi @ Mar 31 2010, 06:47 AM) As...   Mar 31 2010, 12:48 PM
||- - Draconis   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 31 2010, 12:48 PM)...   Mar 31 2010, 11:59 PM
||- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Draconis @ Mar 31 2010, 06:59 PM) ...   Apr 1 2010, 04:32 AM
||- - pbangarth   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 31 2010, 09:32 PM)...   Apr 1 2010, 04:35 AM
||- - Draconis   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Apr 1 2010, 04:32 AM) ...   Apr 1 2010, 07:45 AM
||- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Draconis @ Apr 1 2010, 03:45 AM) A...   Apr 1 2010, 09:04 AM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (nezumi @ Mar 31 2010, 03:47 AM) As...   Mar 31 2010, 10:35 PM
- - Stahlseele   No he was not. Even if someone else is generally ...   Mar 31 2010, 04:49 PM
|- - Dread Moores   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 31 2010, 11:49 AM...   Mar 31 2010, 06:22 PM
|- - Dr. Funkenstein   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 31 2010, 11:49 AM...   Mar 31 2010, 06:29 PM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Apr 1 2010, 04:2...   Apr 12 2010, 03:14 AM
- - Stahlseele   No, i saw that you got a warning. Everybody should...   Mar 31 2010, 06:36 PM
- - Shrike30   QUOTE Welcome back; your last visit was: Mar 29 20...   Mar 31 2010, 09:47 PM
- - fistandantilus4.0   I'd like to point out that most Warnings take ...   Apr 1 2010, 12:13 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (fistandantilus4.0 @ Mar 31 2010, 04...   Apr 1 2010, 01:00 AM
|- - Dr. Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 31 2010, 07:00 PM) That...   Apr 1 2010, 01:13 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Mar 31 2010, 05...   Apr 1 2010, 01:32 AM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   Eh? I wasn't complaining about getting a warn...   Apr 1 2010, 12:20 AM
- - fistandantilus4.0   Well I was thinking of making picket signs, but th...   Apr 1 2010, 12:23 AM
- - Stahlseele   QUOTE Should he have. Yeah. But which would you ra...   Apr 1 2010, 12:24 AM
- - fistandantilus4.0   Personally I tend to cut a little more slack to a ...   Apr 1 2010, 12:41 AM
- - fistandantilus4.0   And Doc was issued a warning for breaking the ToS,...   Apr 1 2010, 01:03 AM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   Eh, favortism is par of the course on and off Inte...   Apr 1 2010, 01:45 AM
- - Caine Hazen   I don't come off like an impersonal robot? Da...   Apr 1 2010, 03:09 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE Did it quell the argument and settle things ...   Apr 1 2010, 03:39 AM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   I'm pretty sure I deserved one.   Apr 1 2010, 12:48 PM
- - nezumi   I think it's important to remember that the To...   Apr 1 2010, 01:40 PM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (nezumi @ Apr 1 2010, 09:40 AM) So....   Apr 1 2010, 06:03 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE I think it's important to remember that ...   Apr 2 2010, 01:17 AM
|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 1 2010, 08:17 PM) Does ...   Apr 2 2010, 01:47 AM
|- - nezumi   QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 1 2010, 09:17 PM) Does ...   Apr 2 2010, 03:00 PM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   Yep. I'm happy with the things are for the mo...   Apr 2 2010, 02:28 AM
|- - fistandantilus4.0   QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Apr 1 2010, 10:2...   Apr 2 2010, 02:57 AM
- - Caine Hazen   I'll break the curtain down to address 2 issue...   Apr 2 2010, 03:13 AM
|- - ker'ion   QUOTE (Caine Hazen @ Apr 1 2010, 09:13 PM...   Apr 5 2010, 03:39 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE Yep. I'm happy with the things are for t...   Apr 2 2010, 03:18 AM
- - Dumori   I think some transparency would help as as it stan...   Apr 2 2010, 01:58 PM
- - augmentin   I'd like to second, or third, or whatever we...   Apr 7 2010, 07:10 PM
|- - Bull   QUOTE (augmentin @ Apr 7 2010, 03:10 PM) ...   Apr 7 2010, 10:36 PM
- - fistandantilus4.0   We're also generally a little more lax on thin...   Apr 7 2010, 11:29 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE As for contacting mods, the main issue is fo...   Apr 8 2010, 01:35 AM
- - nezumi   And that is the first test of your worthiness...   Apr 8 2010, 01:45 PM
- - Lady Door   You've just met the Dweller of the Threshold. ...   Apr 8 2010, 05:03 PM
- - krainboltgreene   QUOTE I remind you of the Terms of Service, item 1...   Apr 10 2010, 06:30 AM
|- - fistandantilus4.0   QUOTE (krainboltgreene)I remind you of the Terms o...   Apr 12 2010, 01:13 AM
- - Stahlseele   That's because you are only a probationary mem...   Apr 10 2010, 07:31 AM
- - Paul   Just a quick note. I was banned for about...2-3 ye...   Apr 11 2010, 11:11 PM
|- - Caine Hazen   QUOTE (Paul @ Apr 11 2010, 06:11 PM) Just...   Apr 11 2010, 11:25 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (Caine Hazen @ Apr 11 2010, 06:25 P...   Apr 12 2010, 08:43 AM
- - CeaDawg   Hmmm, it's been forever since I posted on DSF,...   Oct 23 2010, 06:20 AM
- - Method   CeaDawg: that was before we standardized our polic...   Oct 27 2010, 09:39 PM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Method @ Oct 27 2010, 05:39 PM) Fo...   Oct 28 2010, 04:12 PM
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|- - Ryu   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Oct 28 2010, 05:12 PM)...   Nov 2 2010, 09:19 PM
- - Method   Hmmm... what are you offering as payment?   Oct 29 2010, 04:35 AM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Method @ Oct 29 2010, 12:35 AM) Hm...   Nov 2 2010, 01:45 PM
- - Zhan Shi   I no longer have ready access to a computer, so my...   Nov 3 2010, 03:07 AM


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