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 Apr 14 2010, 07:48 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 200 Joined: 23-March 10 From: Nashville, TN, CAS Member No.: 18,348  |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 14 2010, 02:41 PM)  My point is, "legitimately illegal software" makes no sense. Black IC is not legal for anyone to own or manufacture. Renraku as an extraterritorial entity can use BlackHammer all it wants, within their enterprise, it is use outside Renraku that is a problem. -M&P |
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Apr 14 2010, 07:57 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (MindandPen @ Apr 14 2010, 03:48 PM) Renraku as an extraterritorial entity can use BlackHammer all it wants, within their enterprise, it is use outside Renraku that is a problem. IIRC, Black Hammer is banned by the Corporate Court, so no, they can not. |
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Apr 14 2010, 07:58 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
The poitn is that gettign hold of a legal copy of an (f) program would just be manically hard. I pirated verstion or one cooked up your self yeah but a leagal lienced version.
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Apr 14 2010, 08:02 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Dumori @ Apr 14 2010, 03:58 PM) The poitn is that gettign hold of a legal copy of an (f) program would just be manically hard. I pirated verstion or one cooked up your self yeah but a leagal lienced version. Eggzactly. |
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Apr 14 2010, 08:04 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
F doesn't mean illegal to exist, though. It means heavily restricted. I didn't realize your point was that Black Hammer was illegal for *anyone*, I'm sorry.
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Apr 14 2010, 08:16 PM
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Shadowrun Co-Creator Group: Members Posts: 39 Joined: 5-February 08 From: Chicago, Illinois Member No.: 15,644 |
QUOTE (Samoth @ Apr 14 2010, 12:08 PM) I think he's referring to Burning Bright, when Kyle is on his astral trip. That's the one! TD |
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Apr 14 2010, 11:25 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 14 2010, 01:41 PM) Black IC is not legal for anyone to own or manufacture. That's not what Forbidden means. Forbidden means that it's illegal for private citizens to own, let alone use, the Forbidden item/substance/program. The military, corporations, and etc. are all free to use it dependent upon the actual item/substance/program and local/corporate/federal laws. The Legality rules are relative to civilians, period. |
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Apr 14 2010, 11:31 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 14 2010, 01:41 PM) My point is, "legitimately illegal software" makes no sense. Black IC is not legal for anyone to own or manufacture. EDIT: Damn, Ninja'd by The Doctor... But remember, Governments and Megacorps are not held to the same standards as the rest of the world... That Ares Alpha is completely illegal for anyone Outside of Government or Corporate Militaries (or possibly even Security Forces)... which is a far cry different than illegal to own at all... Keep the Faith |
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Apr 15 2010, 03:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 200 Joined: 23-March 10 From: Nashville, TN, CAS Member No.: 18,348 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 14 2010, 02:57 PM) IIRC, Black Hammer is banned by the Corporate Court, so no, they can not. >> Pulls out rules >> Notices poster is correct Oops, my bad. -M&P |
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Apr 15 2010, 03:41 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Apr 14 2010, 07:25 PM) That's not what Forbidden means. Forbidden means that it's illegal for private citizens to own, let alone use, the Forbidden item/substance/program. The military, corporations, and etc. are all free to use it dependent upon the actual item/substance/program and local/corporate/federal laws. The Legality rules are relative to civilians, period. See: QUOTE (MindandPen @ Apr 14 2010, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 14 2010, 03:57 PM) IIRC, Black Hammer is banned by the Corporate Court, so no, they can not. >> Pulls out rules >> Notices poster is correct Oops, my bad. You (Dr. Funk) are correct that Forbidden means that it isn't legal for private citizens to own however Black IC is not legal for corporations to own either. Black IC is (quite literally) the biofeedback part of the Crash Virus that Echo Mirage encountered. I'm pretty sure that's against the rules of all levels of law (personal, governmental, international, and corporate court). |
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Apr 15 2010, 04:03 AM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
How ever I'm sure GOD uses it if need be. Also goverments could still use it.
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Apr 15 2010, 04:32 AM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,946 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Omaha Member No.: 17,234 |
I'm going to need a citation on Black Hammer being illegal according to the corporate court, I'm not completely dismissing that such a thing exists but observing that such a ruling would be counter to the member corporations best interests.
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Apr 15 2010, 04:41 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Apr 15 2010, 12:32 AM) I'm going to need a citation on Black Hammer being illegal according to the corporate court, I'm not completely dismissing that such a thing exists but observing that such a ruling would be counter to the member corporations best interests. MindandPen obviously found it. I wouldn't know where to look, though. Also, its like 1am and I just got home from a game. |
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Apr 15 2010, 04:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 110 Joined: 22-February 10 Member No.: 18,190 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 14 2010, 11:41 AM) My point is, "legitimately illegal software" makes no sense. Black IC is not legal for anyone to own or manufacture. WMDs are all kinds of illegal too. We still make them. Hell we still develop new ones. The market for black ice is lucrative enough that even if it's illegal, I'm sure the corps write and *cough* "leak" *cough* the programs. |
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Apr 15 2010, 05:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 200 Joined: 23-March 10 From: Nashville, TN, CAS Member No.: 18,348 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 14 2010, 11:41 PM) MindandPen obviously found it. I wouldn't know where to look, though. My fault, I misread the table on software availability. Some of the IC programs that use Black hammer are Forbidden, but Black Hammer itself appears to be Restricted per the SR4 book. Also, as noted before, the Forbidden rating applies to private citizens, not to corporations or to the Government. -M&P |
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Apr 15 2010, 05:13 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Heh. In conclusion, Legit software (of whatever availability) is traceable, to a degree depending on the GM's will to punish you; all other software degrades. Tough choice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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Apr 15 2010, 08:55 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 616 Joined: 30-April 07 From: Edge of the Redmond Barrens, Borderline NAN. Runnin' the border for literal milk runs. Member No.: 11,565 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 14 2010, 03:57 PM) IIRC, Black Hammer is banned by the Corporate Court, so no, they can not. QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 15 2010, 12:41 AM) MindandPen obviously found it. I wouldn't know where to look, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/proof.gif) |
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Apr 15 2010, 02:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 224 Joined: 4-September 09 From: Poland Member No.: 17,594 |
It's not only about "legally bought" programs. You can steal new version of Black Hammer. Johnson can give it to you as a part of payment. It still can be tracked - not by police, but by corp who made it.
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Apr 15 2010, 08:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 110 Joined: 22-February 10 Member No.: 18,190 |
QUOTE (Kumo @ Apr 15 2010, 06:20 AM) It's not only about "legally bought" programs. You can steal new version of Black Hammer. Johnson can give it to you as a part of payment. It still can be tracked - not by police, but by corp who made it. "Hello there Runner." "Err... Hi Mr. Johnson. I haven't heard from you since that job six months ago. What's up?" "Last night you used a program I gave you as payment to kill a certain hacker. That hacker was actually the son of the Renraku Red Samurai chief executive officer." "Erp..." "I take it you wouldn't enjoy meeting him? In that case, I have a job I need you to do for me, otherwise I'll have to go to the father and ask for *his* help. I know I have a bargaining coin with him..." |
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Apr 15 2010, 09:02 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
Thats cruel and awesome.
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Apr 15 2010, 09:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 110 Joined: 22-February 10 Member No.: 18,190 |
QUOTE (Dumori @ Apr 15 2010, 01:02 PM) Thats cruel and awesome. That was the first thing that came to mind. Most of the games I run are incredibly cruel to the characters. Thankfully, my players are kind of masochistic. |
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Apr 15 2010, 09:39 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
I have to really hodl back when I GM atm as they are all new to RPGs and killing at least one PC every session might put them off...
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Apr 15 2010, 09:58 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 4-April 10 Member No.: 18,411 |
Hehe im kinda the sadistic player ^^. So yeah no killing my character as im way too lazy to make up a background that often. Then i turn to min/maxing the hell out of every character concept you can throw at me.
For rules mistakes i havent played enough for any to be apparent. OR rather i still havent got the hang of the Matrix, so im fumbling my way along that route. |
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Apr 15 2010, 10:35 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
I'm not mean in the sense I go otu of my way to kill you its just my group are green as hell atm.
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Apr 15 2010, 11:18 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 1-February 10 Member No.: 18,106 |
QUOTE (Samoth @ Apr 14 2010, 11:08 AM) I think he's referring to Burning Bright, when Kyle is on his astral trip. That's how the rules worked back when Burning Bright was written... You could cast a physical spell through an astral presence back then (such as through an active focus). That same book also has a good example of how spirit summoning has changed (re: binding). Horribly broken, and I'm glad they changed it. |
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