 Your thoughts on Ninjutsu..., angry with this... |
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 Feb 16 2004, 05:58 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960  |
What exactly is the benefit to taking Ninjutsu? Your required to take a 2 point flaw in order to learn it. It doesn't even have multistrike as a manuver. Kung Fu is about 3000% better martial art to take. Pisses me off. Paying a 2 point flaw for a martial arts style should give you a few unique manuvers/options at least.
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Feb 16 2004, 06:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
You're a freaking /ninja/!
I don't know, I think it's pretty lame too. |
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Feb 16 2004, 06:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: 12-August 03 From: Sulphur, Louisiana Member No.: 5,418 |
1. Ninjas are mammals.
2. Ninjas kick ass. 3. Ninjas occassionally flip out and kill people. |
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Feb 16 2004, 06:12 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Well you kinda get a free contact: ninja clan. Also, close combat is just as good as multistrike, in its own way. I do agree, though, that the required flaw is... stupid. Even now, I, personally, could take a 10 minute drive and start taking a ninjutsu class.
Perhaps the instructors all have that 2-point hunted flaw. Edit: Hmm... a good number of the individual dojo websites are down... perhaps their ninja clans finally caught up to them! |
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Feb 16 2004, 06:23 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Ninjas get kick-ass access to maneuvers for weapons. Play with that sword, boy!
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Feb 16 2004, 06:28 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
They're busy kidnapping the president. |
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Feb 16 2004, 06:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 22-October 03 From: Marianna Member No.: 5,753 |
Thank god. Maybe they will kill him too. And ninjas get the flaw thing because ninjas are all stealthy and stuff. |
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Feb 16 2004, 06:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: 1-January 04 Member No.: 5,948 |
Are you a bad enough dude to save him? |
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Feb 16 2004, 06:38 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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Feb 16 2004, 06:40 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
:D |
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Feb 16 2004, 06:42 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
Considering the Manouvers i'd rather go and kung fu my sword. Whirling multi strike. Besides you still get to Wu Tang Clan with your polearms as well. |
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Feb 16 2004, 06:45 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
Yeah, you could take a drive and start taking a pretend-ninjutsu class, because even if it actually existed at some point (highly unlikely, since real world assassins and spies usually train to do things in simple ways that work, not in flashy ones that look bad-ass), I somehow don't think there would be an easy to find class teaching it in most major cities in the US... It's hard enough to find a martial arts teacher that has legitimate ties to the founders of any of the "ordinary" schools, because 9 out of 10 just make shit up to sex-up what would otherwise be an ordinary self-defense and fitness class. |
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Feb 16 2004, 06:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: 1-January 04 Member No.: 5,948 |
The reason why ninjitsu "sucks" Shadowrun is because it is supposed to be a reflection on what ninjitsu is in real life. Primarily Ninjitsu was not about combat, but about stealth and remaining unseen. If a ninja was "caught" they were supposed to dispose of the person as quickly as possible (if the person were a non-combatant, such as household staff) or escape and hide (if the person is combatant, such as an armed guard).
Kung Fu, which was has its origins in the grueling physical practices by Buddhist monks to help them transcend their physicality and quite the mind lends itself much more readily to just about all forms of combat. |
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Feb 16 2004, 07:17 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
Ninjitsu is stupid anyway. The best martial art is Shaq Fu.
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Feb 16 2004, 07:24 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Derbyshire / UK Member No.: 1,309 |
One of the things i thought was sucky about the martial arts rules in cannon comp was that they covered pretty much solely unarmed combat styles or styles of unarmed combat that had some weapon uses.
I'm currently working on some martial arts that are soley weapon based, such as Kendo, Kenjutsu, Iaijutsu and Nito Ichi Ryu (yes my main focus to start is Japanese sword fighting techniques). When i'm done i'll post them up.. |
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Feb 16 2004, 07:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: 12-August 03 From: Sulphur, Louisiana Member No.: 5,418 |
Yeah, and nobody ever takes 'Edged Weapons (Rapier)' anymore.. I loved my snobby fencer...
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Feb 16 2004, 08:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 22-June 02 From: Parts Without Member No.: 2,897 |
Kind of ironic that rapier falls under "edged weapons," dontcha think?
"It's not the big edge that counts on this puppy. It's the really, really small one at the end that counts." *flick* Yeah. That's why no one plays snobby fencers anymore. |
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Feb 16 2004, 09:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
Well Ninjutsu in SR sucks my balls. I took the 2 point hunted flaw in order to get it. I also thought up a rather in depth story of my background.
BTW what part of the martial art actually makes you sneakier? There is none silly. Any house rules you guys have governing this? Should some kind of stealth bonus be in order to make up for the lack of combat efficiency? |
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Feb 16 2004, 09:51 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
Hey. :noflame:
I think what Sable was saying was that Ninjitsu does not concentrate on combat. That's why it is a bad skill to use in a fight. |
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Feb 16 2004, 10:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: 1-January 04 Member No.: 5,948 |
Nope, part of the characters training by the Ninja clan should have included the skills Stealth and Athletics. Like modern day Special Forces, real world Ninjitsu is actually training in several different areas, not just fighting. Where a Green Barret is trained, not only in combat and fighting, but also how to organize communities and train them to be effective cells of resistance in occupied territories, build shelters, and aspects of civil engineering, a Ninja would be changed in observation, stealth, and disguise. Ninjas were primarily spies and occasionally dabbled in assassination (often using distance weapons such as blow guns and bows). In a close fight they would use small swords, weighted chains, a scythe with a weighted chain on the end, and things like that. Why is it that so many people have it in their heads that Ninjitsu is this super powerful martial art? It wasn't. When it comes to fighting, the focus of Ninjitsu was to eliminate a person target as quickly as possible, often from a position of surprise. In a "fair" fight against a Samurai, the Samurai would likely kick Ninja tail. If you want a martial art that is geared to protracted fighting, pick something like Kung Fu, Jujitsu, or Tai Chi or Aikijitsu (Akido) for those wanting a softer form. For those interested in actually learning a little history before they gripe about how bad Shadowrun Ninjitsu is: History of the Ninja The Illuminated Lantern: Ninja History, Myth, and Cinema |
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Feb 16 2004, 10:34 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Hollywood -- where else? -Siege |
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Feb 16 2004, 10:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
I learned the fucking history ass hole.
Don't fucking patronize me with your half page of garbage that any idiot with Google can find out. I'm talking about IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GAME! If stealth etc is such an integral part of it, suggest some house rules for helping the "lesser known" aspects get incorporated into the game. I took disguise as a skill also to try to help make it somewhat realistic. I'm not asking for Bruce Lee. What I'm saying is....if it is not combat oriented it should not be used in SR as a combat skill, it should ecompass other skills/situations besides just melee combat. Do you not agree? Ok stop patronizing me thanks. |
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Feb 16 2004, 10:38 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
I do not agree
Just because something is silly and ineffective doesn't mean that too many gullible people are going to pay to learn it just because it's naemd "ninjitsu". I think that's reflected quite well in game terms. It is stupid to take ninjitsu instead of a more useful combat martial art in SR, just as it is IMHO in real life. |
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Feb 16 2004, 10:57 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Woah there, Solstice. Looks like youre taking things a little too personally. Perhaps you should take some Bliss and mellow out.
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Feb 16 2004, 11:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
as our history friend should let you know: it's ninjutsu not ninjitsu. :D Look I love this forum but more than a few of you guys have this bad habit of being extremely subtle assholes and sometimes I get sick of it. What should have been a thread developing into a discussion on how to better do ninjutsu justice in the SR world turned into a "defend the misunderstood martial art from the munchkins". |
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