So is there any good information on the CAS?, A discussion about a seemingly information-lacking area Options

[The Dragon Girl]

I have a hard time imagining the south without the hills, the trees, the way the folks who live here actually give a crap about the other folks living here.. I have never been left wanting for help if my car broke down. Old men telling war stories, old women gossuping on porches. I live in a tiny valley, with a city of seven hundred people in it. I can tell you the railroad chase came through here. I can tell you that sherman burnt it down, and a few decades later it burnt again when someone knocked over an oil lamp. I know what building (still standing) Sherman stationed his quarter master in, and my great-great-great-great-great grandfather built the plantation house that they used as a hospitol during the civil war, the upstairs still has blood stains on the floor, and writing on the walls where the soldiers left their last notes for their loved ones.

I can't really think of this place as anything like Seattle, or LA (where I usually play) ..But I -can- envision the way it would be in seventy years. Thats probably because I live here though ^.^; I even know which -local- big businesses people are proud to say they work for, who would likely hand out the corp script, what industries live around here.. the countryside is likely to be more littered with Awakened, deckers would be found a handful to a small city, and Sammies only the major cities (in Ga Atlanta Macon and Savannah, but mostly just Atlanta) Although -riggers- that'd be popular, real popular. I can imagine folks in the south priding themselves on being able to compete with the cyber enhanced, without enhancement. Pride, really, is the biggest thing we have, I think.

[Triggvi]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I think I like your grandma.

believe it or not my grandamama was a beautician most of her life.


The south is a mix of new and old world ideals. Even today the south makes up a very high percentage of our military. I am sure that even in shadowrun they have a sense of honor mixed with a good sense pragmatism. The mix of redneck and executive where respecting your family means something.

[hermit]

I don't see the Starship Trooper theme working here at all.

Well, I was thinking of "I have served and now am one and a half citizen" (a quote from one of my American relatives, who last year joined up some radical mountain men militoia. My guys over there are such hicks ...). Okay, it might be normal for Americans, but to me that sounds a lot like Starship Troopers.

I have a hard time imagining the south without the hills, the trees, the way the folks who live here actually give a crap about the other folks living here.. I have never been left wanting for help if my car broke down. Old men telling war stories, old women gossuping on porches. I live in a tiny valley, with a city of seven hundred people in it. I can tell you the railroad chase came through here. I can tell you that sherman burnt it down, and a few decades later it burnt again when someone knocked over an oil lamp. I know what building (still standing) Sherman stationed his quarter master in, and my great-great-great-great-great grandfather built the plantation house that they used as a hospitol during the civil war, the upstairs still has blood stains on the floor, and writing on the walls where the soldiers left their last notes for their loved ones.

That sounds awesome. Also, 8 Generations ... so your ancestors were among the first wave of settlers? Know any local lore, by chance, any local legends that could be spun into Spirits, awakened sites or critters native to that region? Old Native sites, caves, the likes?

Hey, maybe there should be a CAS netbook. Maybe it'd even get picked up, like Synner's Europe Sourcebook project did?

Although -riggers- that'd be popular, real popular. I can imagine folks in the south priding themselves on being able to compete with the cyber enhanced, without enhancement. Pride, really, is the biggest thing we have, I think.

Cue in the Banjo. ^_^

But yes, I can well see a sort of stubborn pride. Especially in Texas. A kind of "whatever may come, we will not yield" type of attitude.

[Patrick Goodman]

This land is our land.

The history of Texas is written in blood on this land. Our ancestors are buried in this land; our children were born upon it. Generations of Texans have loved and laughed, have fought and bled, have lived and died on this land.

This land. This land that has been stolen. These cities that have become armed camps. These ranges of grassland that have been scorched. These farms that have been trampled under armored foot. This land, which the criminals who stole Mexico from her own people decided was theirs as well, and which a weak government elected to hand over without a fight.

But this is our land, and it is past time that we took it back. From El Paso to Brownsville, we will draw a line in the sand, and then we will drive the Mexican criminals back south across that line, and then we will make sure that they know how grievous an error it will be for them to venture north across it again.

Our forefathers were freedom fighters; so, too, are we. They fought and died at the Alamo. Now, we stand united as the Sons of the Alamo.

This land is our land.

-- Manifesto of the Sons of the Alamo policlub, drafted 12 May 2047

[Triggvi]

Well, I was thinking of "I have served and now am one and a half citizen" (a quote from one of my American relatives, who last year joined up some radical mountain men militoia. My guys over there are such hicks ...). Okay, it might be normal for Americans, but to me that sounds a lot like Starship Troopers.


That sounds awesome. Also, 8 Generations ... so your ancestors were among the first settlers?

the south has been around before the formation of the united states. More than 200 years. A generation is about 20-25 years.

[Darkeus]

I heard you were the man with the most CAS insight Patrick... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Been waiting for you!

[Patrick Goodman]

I don't know about insight, but I've been agitating for better treatment of the CAS in-story for, well, a long-ass time.

There have been a few political comments, deliberate or not, that have had me grinding my teeth about this thread. The main reason I dropped the SoA Manifesto in here is to show that something in-game does exist that is...peeved about the Aztlan invasion. Working on getting some of it into canon, so I'm not going to discuss a lot, but just wanted to say that it's not been forgotten.

[Darkeus]

It is severely lacking I must say. Doesn't help when you want to start planning a campaign in the CAS... I like the creative work but... There are tons of gaps in the information about the CAS.

Hell, I would dare to say that it is the North American country with the least amount of consistent information written about it.

[hermit]

the south has been around before the formation of the united states. More than 200 years. A generation is about 20-25 years.

Was calculating with 25 years, 200 years. And yes, the Southern colonies were the earliest. For some reason, I always think of the New Amsterdam area as a the first colonies on the Eastern Seaboard ...

And that is an awesome manifesto, Patrick. Mind if I use it eventually?

[Patrick Goodman]

And that is an awesome manifesto, Patrick. Mind if I use it eventually?

Feel free. Like a lot of what I'm working on at the moment, though, most of my CAS and Texas ideas are things I'm working on getting into canon, so there's not likely to be a lot of discussion of my ideas. Not that I don't trust you guys, but I do want to have a surprise or two if I get the green light. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[The Dragon Girl]

Feel free. Like a lot of what I'm working on at the moment, though, most of my CAS and Texas ideas are things I'm working on getting into canon, so there's not likely to be a lot of discussion of my ideas. Not that I don't trust you guys, but I do want to have a surprise or two if I get the green light. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Really looking forward to seeing that.

[Triggvi]

Was calculating with 25 years, 200 years. And yes, the Southern colonies were the earliest. For some reason, I always think of the New Amsterdam area as a the first colonies on the Eastern Seaboard ...

And that is an awesome manifesto, Patrick. Mind if I use it eventually?

the colonies is not the United States. They United State wasn't formed until after the war of independence. It went through a Goverment before the Constitution was written. The constitution is over 200 years old.

Do the math before you try and flame someone.

[FlakJacket]

Oh yeah, I know. The suburbs of DC like Arlington and Manassas and Alexandria make up North Virginia, which is a UCAS state. I would imagine someone would try another coup druing crash 2.0 but since no UCAS sources say they lost that area, I would assume it would fail again.

Way back when Jon Szeto, author of the CAS chapter of SoNA, posted the border he suggested in the notes he sent in for the map for SoNA and someone made a rather nice map from it. I'll check with the creator and if he says it's cool I'll post the copy I obtained of it.

[Patrick Goodman]

Do the math before you try and flame someone.

He's quite capable of defending himself, and mostly I'm going to let him, but having read this entire exchange, he was hardly flaming you. I read it being impressed with how long your family had been in the country, but that could just be me.

[The Dragon Girl]

hermit:

Heh, I honestly don't know, just that we were one of the first in this area. I would have to ask my granddad, hes the one whos been tracing genealogy. Not that we have much of anything now, the plantation house went to a collateral line, and most of whats left of the farm is some chicken houses that belong to my aunt.


The south really does have a heavy defense of the home and people thing going on, yeah. We even have a memorial here with the names of all the service men who came out of our city (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) My other granddaddy, a lot my cousins, and my baby brother have their names up. I woulda served myself, if I could pass the health exam.

[The Dragon Girl]

He's quite capable of defending himself, and mostly I'm going to let him, but having read this entire exchange, he was hardly flaming you. I read it being impressed with how long your family had been in the country, but that could just be me.

>.> Hey -I- didn't take offense, and it was my family under discussion.

[hermit]

the colonies is not the United States. They United State wasn't formed until after the war of independence. It went through a Goverment before the Constitution was written. The constitution is over 200 years old.

Do the math before you try and flame someone.

Calm down, please. I did not intend to flame you (besides, my remark about 8th generation settlers meant Dragon Girl, so ... huh?). Sorry if I offended you, though I confess I have no idea how. Yeah, the US is older, but that doesn't mean most of it's current inhabitants' ancestors arrived only after it'd been founded (what with the founding states being notably less than the current and smaller too)?

Again, I did not mean to insult you.

Feel free. Like a lot of what I'm working on at the moment, though, most of my CAS and Texas ideas are things I'm working on getting into canon, so there's not likely to be a lot of discussion of my ideas. Not that I don't trust you guys, but I do want to have a surprise or two if I get the green light.

Looking very much forward to that, too!

[Darkeus]

Way back when Jon Szeto, author of the CAS chapter of SoNA, posted the border he suggested in the notes he sent in for the map for SoNA and someone made a rather nice map from it. I'll check with the creator and if he says it's cool I'll post the copy I obtained of it.

That would be awesome!

[hermit]

Heh, I honestly don't know, just that we were one of the first in this area. I would have to ask my granddad, hes the one whos been tracing genealogy. Not that we have much of anything now, the plantation house went to a collateral line, and most of whats left of the farm is some chicken houses that belong to my aunt.

Excuse my curiosity, I'm just generally interested in genealogics. I can trace my own ancestry back to the early 1700s, everything before went up in flames in the 30 years war or now belongs to the exceedingly uncooperative Polish.

The south really does have a heavy defense of the home and people thing going on, yeah. We even have a memorial here with the names of all the service men who came out of our city (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) My other granddaddy, a lot my cousins, and my baby brother have their names up. I woulda served myself, if I could pass the health exam.

That's what I meant, upped by a sense uf urgent threat by Aztlan. I'd also think the CAS might have one of the largest standing armies among the states on former US/Canadian soil for that reason.

Way back when Jon Szeto, author of the CAS chapter of SoNA, posted the border he suggested in the notes he sent in for the map for SoNA and someone made a rather nice map from it. I'll check with the creator and if he says it's cool I'll post the copy I obtained of it.

That'd be very useful, yes.

[Demonseed Elite]

To a point. The Azzies have been pretty beat up in the 2060's. The major defeats in the Yucatan, getting kicked out Denver and replaced with the CAS and finally Crash 2.0 would have finally weakened the Azzie threat completely for the moment. In fact, I kind of see the CAS starting to get the one up on the Azzies on the border.

Just some clarification. Aztlan basically won the Yucatan; they've installed a puppet government in the Yucatan now that basically serves Aztlan. They've moved most of their troops to the north and south borders (veteran, battle-hardened troops from the Yucatan). If there's one point in the CAS' favor there, though, it's likely that Aztlan is focused more on the PCC to the north instead of the CAS.

[Darkeus]

Just some clarification. Aztlan basically won the Yucatan; they've installed a puppet government in the Yucatan now that basically serves Aztlan. They've moved most of their troops to the north and south borders (veteran, battle-hardened troops from the Yucatan). If there's one point in the CAS' favor there, though, it's likely that Aztlan is focused more on the PCC to the north instead of the CAS.

Really, because according to the History section in Shadowrun Anniversary edition says that on March 15, 2062 a wave of natural disasters hit the Yucatan and pushed back all of the Azzie troops as a war between nature and toxic spirits erupted. It says that the Azzies have not went back in yet as of the time the book entails. Unless I missed some info in a book.

I would also think Aztlan would be a little pissed off that the CAS just took their territory in Denver.

[Pepsi Jedi]

Something else that's not been factored in just yet, the para-animals. I know it's often overlooked, but the awakened animals have a pretty big impact. Alot of the south is still rual. Once you get outside the citys, (( in SR Terms, the sprawls)) You find the wild real quick down there. Not that bad today. You don't have to worry about bandersnatches popping off your head when you take out the trash, or awakened wolverines eating your face, A Bandit stealin' your car, or heaven forbid a Juggernaut coming though your house, or one of those awakened gators flipping your boat. lol

Not a "SUPER" huge thing in the sprawls, but I have to think it'd factor in a bit. In SR... Nature fights back, and she's pissed off.

[hermit]

Something else that's not been factored in just yet, the para-animals. I know it's often overlooked, but the awakened animals have a pretty big impact. Alot of the south is still rual. Once you get outside the citys, (( in SR Terms, the sprawls)) You find the wild real quick down there. Not that bad today. You don't have to worry about bandersnatches popping off your head when you take out the trash, or awakened wolverines eating your face, A Bandit stealin' your car, or heaven forbid a Juggernaut coming though your house, or one of those awakened gators flipping your boat.

I suppose they're very happy bout their liberal weapons ownership laws. I also think nobody will doubt in the SR South their necessity. Hell, theymight even sell actual weaons of war for self defense in some states - justly so!

And hey, after seeing ine lurking under a car in a motel parking lot, I am personally rather wary of alligators in Florida, myself.

Really, because according to the History section in Shadowrun Anniversary edition says that on March 15, 2062 a wave of natural disasters hit the Yucatan and pushed back all of the Azzie troops as a war between nature and toxic spirits erupted.

True, but think about it - the troops weren't annihilated or pushed back, they just went out of the way and watched the carnage. After that, Aztlan installed a remote controlled free government and is content to let Yucatan pretend it is a nation.

[Darkeus]

True, but think about it - the troops weren't annihilated or pushed back, they just went out of the way and watched the carnage. After that, Aztlan installed a remote controlled free government and is content to let Yucatan pretend it is a nation.

Is that is in a book? Which one?

If it is then I missed it and my bad... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[hermit]

Is that is in a book? Which one?

YOTC, SoNA and, presumably, SoLA's Aztlan chapter which can be found here. I admit I hadn't time yet to read it.