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[Faraday]

Naw, guns are for pirates. Plenty enough of them to excuse anything short of heavy weapons. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Xahn Borealis]

If there were pirates attacking us(assuming we're defenceless as part of our cover), wouldn't they use heavy weapons?

[spudrocks]

Ok here are some links on the soviet trawlers

Here is are a couple of links with pictures.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...a/ssv-other.htm

http://home.luna.nl/~ary/ships.htm

Spooky Soviet spy story
http://www.wtmamemories.com/WTMABrinsonMemories.htm

Here is another article I found

Soviet interest in elint or ferreting—the capture of communications signals and of radar signals as two examples—is evident in such activities as the trawlers manned by Soviet crews in civilian-type clothes who follow NATO naval maneuvers, attend missile launchings and recovery areas, or cruise off our coasts, with a forest of antennas on their craft. Soviet craft loiter near Holy Loch, Guam , and Rota . Soviet military writings also show a keen awareness of the importance of signal discipline to minimize the capture of their own emissions by others. Since their trawlers, their overt naval vessels, their embassies, and their air and space defense systems all engage in signal gathering, we have to assume they also gather signals by spacecraft which then are relayed either in real time or taped for delayed rebroadcast to analytical centers in the Soviet Union. Such activities are not judged here as to their moral value; they presumably are of practical use since such a large collection effort has been maintained for so many years. Hence this study will look for signs of space elint or ferret payloads.

Here is another picture
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...-class-pics.htm

I will post more when if I find more.

[Penta]

Quick thought: At 177', the Soviet trawlers are almost as long as the ship in Blood in the Water. I'd like to avoid going that big.

[Penta]

Okay....Those who are working on bios still...Or especially more than just bios...Kindly poke me and let me know how much longer?

Meanwhile, I'm going to start up the ship phase.
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Keep in mind these points:

1. You can stat up your own ship, but max length overall of 120'.
2. Point 1 is essential - even assuming a lengthening of slips up and down the coasts, 120' maxes out the slips of most marinas. Docking where freighters dock is possible, but brings notice.

These actually allow for a lot of ship-types - oyster boats and shrimp boats, among others, are only 80-100'.

Please remember that cover needs to fit with ship. If you guys want, do the ship...I'll suggest covers. Keep in mind, you need to fit 12 people...Plus passengers.

Basic hope is that we start play by 1 June. Sooner would be nice!

Covers are really intended for use in port...Not at sea. At sea, if they board your ship, uh...How do I put this?

If they board you, your cover will be the last thing to worry about.

[Grinder]

Okay....Those who are working on bios still...Or especially more than just bios...Kindly poke me and let me know how much longer?

Couple of days (sorry, life is hectic atm).

[Minchandre]

Okay....Those who are working on bios still...Or especially more than just bios...Kindly poke me and let me know how much longer?

Meanwhile, I'm going to start up the ship phase.
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Keep in mind these points:

1. You can stat up your own ship, but max length overall of 120'.
2. Point 1 is essential - even assuming a lengthening of slips up and down the coasts, 120' maxes out the slips of most marinas. Docking where freighters dock is possible, but brings notice.

These actually allow for a lot of ship-types - oyster boats and shrimp boats, among others, are only 80-100'.

Please remember that cover needs to fit with ship. If you guys want, do the ship...I'll suggest covers. Keep in mind, you need to fit 12 people...Plus passengers.

Basic hope is that we start play by 1 June. Sooner would be nice!

Covers are really intended for use in port...Not at sea. At sea, if they board your ship, uh...How do I put this?

If they board you, your cover will be the last thing to worry about.

Now, keep in mind that I live a good 800 miles or so to the nearest ocean...but I was always under the impression that marinas were primarily for pleasurecraft. Would a professional boat (fishing boat, surveyor, ferry, whatever) dock at a marina, rather than some sort of commercial slip?

Also, is it fairly clear that SWATH boats are too deep in their draft for a standard marina? (I found a couple marinas online that only clear to 2-3 meters, though most commercial shipping facilities are at least 7m or so). I only ask because SWATH boats have deck stability disproportionate to their size, which makes them great for salvage ops.

[Penta]

Going strictly off New Jersey marinas:

1. Fishing boats are weird. Some dock at specialized places, some dock at marinas. Seems largely a size thing. Surveyors I couldn't tell you about one way or the other. Ferries typically have their own docks. Generally, anything small enough will use a marina - there are dozens just within 10 miles of where I am along the Jersey Shore, offhandedly. Meanwhile, the nearest commercial shipping port is...Damn, if you exclude the Navy pier that's 20 miles as the crow flies, I'd think the nearest port like everybody else thinks of it is in Bayonne, which is a rock's throw from NYC.

2. SWATH boats: Again, strictly based off New Jersey: That's the impression I get. We (as I understand it) have pretty deep-draft marinas around here, but SWATH boats are too deep-draft. This may not hold, say, to the Mediterranean, but it seems to be the rule for marinas where I am.

If people want to go looking for better info, I'll be happy to consider what you pull up. But using what I have at hand, those are my observations.

[zzyxzs]

Remember, Penta, we're talking about the 2070s. Take a look back to see what kinds of marinas were available back in 1940, and think about how much has changed since then. Boats get bigger every year. It would be strange if marina capacity stayed the same for the next 60 years, especially with the more recent floating slip technology that lets you accommodate larger ships with deeper drafts than ever before.

[Penta]

We are, but it's also true that there are technical limits to what docking facilities can handle - or how high bridges can go, or how deep you can feasibly dredge a channel.

My reading of local marinas is that 80' is a common max length. Hence, 120' seems like a good compromise max length for the 2070s for the Eastern Seaboard. Some might handle more, some might handle less, but most will be capable of handling 120' ships.

[Faraday]

Now, keep in mind that I live a good 800 miles or so to the nearest ocean...but I was always under the impression that marinas were primarily for pleasurecraft. Would a professional boat (fishing boat, surveyor, ferry, whatever) dock at a marina, rather than some sort of commercial slip?

The irony: I barely know anything about boats or marinas and live all of 5 miles from the pacific ocean. Well, it's actually just an arm of the pacific, but plenty of boats use it anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[horvagab]

How useful would a sniper be? He'd have other gun skills as well, but primarily a Tir sniper, ex-soldier, maybe adept but maybe just cybered up. Would that work?

[Penta]

A sniper as sniper? Not very. A few months ago I woulda said "Yeah sure", then I learned a lot about just how enclosed the average ship is belowdecks.

In SWAT terms, think assaulters, not snipers.

[Penta]

Grrr. My puppy's being bad today.

So you guys know - the laptop I have all my SR stuff on?

Puppy chewed the plug off the AC adapter, and I don't have a spare.

Hence, I'm on a spare laptop until further notice. This should not impact the game, except that I can't access any of my books.

WHY does something always happen to my laptop right when I most need it?

[Penta]

bad human no doubleposting.

[Faraday]

bad human no doubleposting.

That's usually the computer's fault, actually. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Digital Heroin]

I'm still a fan of the training boat... but only because an old retired training boat would make sense to me in a real-world context. It's seemingly innocuous (no mounted weapons, plain grey, nothing fancy or rich sounding about it), has plenty of adaptability, and can get in some surprisingly tight places. Ultimately if need be you anchor somewhere tucked away, and come in to port in the utility boat.

That said, I'm still down for whatever.

And if I don't have a background by Sunday, shoot me.

I'll provide airfare, and an address. You find the gun.

[Minchandre]

In other news, I might leave the country in two days. This won't affect my ability to post, but it'll shift it by 9 hours.

[Penta]

DH: Noted.

Minichandre: Have fun?

My thoughts as per ship:

We've got...a few concepts floating around here.

Virtually all of them would require a custom ship in terms of SR4A stats, but that's okay...To a point.

In the interests of getting on with things, I'm going to impose a basic concept and let you guys work on the modifications thereto. Because while I'd love to let you guys do it all, I have this sad feeling no decisions would ever be arrived at.

Keep in mind I'm designing a *class* of ship. You get to figure out the specifics of the ship. Also, because I been stopped and argued, I'm increasing max length overall to 150'.
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<Needs a catchy name>

Length overall: 150' (45.72 meters)
Speed: 23 knots (SR4 speed: 35) (A workable speed, actually, for a yacht)
Beam: 29.23 feet (8.91 meters)
Draft: 6 feet (unloaded)

Design concept: The H&W Classique III is a great yacht, but at 85-100' long (based on the size of the windows) may be too small for some clients.

This yacht is basically an upsized, upengined Classique III; designed somewhat conventionally, this design is intended for midsized corporate clients, or for clients who have higher-than-usual entertainment needs.

SR4 stats:

See H&W Classique III. +1 to Body (so 25 body).

Cost: 300,000 nuyen

Standard features: Improved Amenities (Luxury); Satellite Uplink
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Admitted issues: Speed may be low; I need to check against RL 150' yachts.

Crew I'm looking at as 3 for the base class, 20 passengers standard. Hence the ship can accommodate 30 people without a problem. So 12 runners and 18 others for your training cruise is no problem.

Note that per cyberpirates any ship can go unmanned for a short time, but it isn't recommended.

(Aside: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/13/travel/e...es/13yacht.html - Apparently I was not wrong in guessing size as an issue!)

[zzyxzs]

Two things that the linked article has confirmed for me: 1) They are expanding marina capacity to accommodate larger yachts as fast as they can, so it is safe to assume that in 60 years there will be significantly more capacity than there is now, and 2) The only need for a slip at all is for convenience. As long as the ship is anchored somewhere in the harbor, there isn't anything that can't be accomplished via a shuttle boat, so there is no need to fit into a marina.

[Penta]

I'm not sure it says that - for people-moving, correct, but I'm not sure that these ships can, for instance, empty tanks or take on fuel without being tied up to a slip.

[Minchandre]

I'm not sure it says that - for people-moving, correct, but I'm not sure that these ships can, for instance, empty tanks or take on fuel without being tied up to a slip.

Presumably doing this doesn't need to be as often - maybe it can be done at a commercial dock?

By the way, Penta, you can drop all argument and just say that the USAC Navy doesn't feel comfortable giving us too large a boat.

[Penta]

Min: Yeah, I could, but...Dammit, arguing is crack for me.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Edit: At Fazzamar's request, I'll be simpler. We got stuck on the boat's very basics.

This is the boat you're using. Now, the next step is to figure out the fluff and modifications to it.

[BigPapa]

Got to admit, I'm drawing a blank. Just wanted to post so you know I'm still following the thread.

What I've got so far:
Cover: Training kids with paintballs etc.
Ship: 30 person capacity ship.

Needs:
Stat out the plans for the ship.
Flesh out fluff.


Ship plans:
Need cabins for everyone.
- Security for weapons/explosives - armory
- Briefing room
- Necessities - heads, fridge, engineering, communications etc...
- Access for drones to depart ship (Drone launchers, etc)
- Restricted access provision for trainees

[Penta]

You don't need to draw up plans.

They'd be nice and worth karma, but we can fudge it as we go along.

Focus on the Arsenal mods - you have Body slots, IIRC.