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Faraday
post Apr 18 2010, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE (Penta @ Apr 18 2010, 08:14 AM) *
Never having heard of that house rule, I'm not going to use it - I'll emphasize to karmagen players that this is my first time allowing or using the system - as written, before SR4A, it was overpowered. Please do not take it as a slight - because it is my first time, I want to run karmagen as close to RAW as possible, and I'll be giving Karmagen characters a relatively closer look than BP characters - both will be gone over with a fine-toothed comb, but I'll be going over karmagen characters a bit more; BP is fairly intuitive to me by now, karmagen ain't.
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Not a problem, I've already been stating out a character without free knowledge skills. He was also originally built by SR4A rules anyway, so no trouble there. As for the difference between karmagen and BP, it can be summed up as focused abilities versus broad talents. BP encourages concentration in stats, as it doesn't cost more to buy higher levels. Karmagen is the opposite. Buying more skills costs less than buying higher-level skills.

Currently, he looks like mildly powerful adept (2 magic after a little augmentation). He has a fair number of knowledge skills, especially academic, to reflect his scholarly background.
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post Apr 18 2010, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Apr 18 2010, 02:45 PM) *
Fair. The lifestyle was a long shot. I can have the sheet done tonight, where do you want it?


I'll PM my email.

Minchandre: Check my profile. I have a number of contact options enabled. (I would *like* everything by email...Makes organization a lot simpler.) Hopefully, IM or something might work....?
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post Apr 18 2010, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE (Minchandre @ Apr 18 2010, 02:57 PM) *
Alright; I have some more specific char related questions, now. Sadly, I can't PM yet, and my plan of spamming the boards to get to 10 quickly was one I quickly reconsidered. Should I ask the questions here, or do you want to drop me an email line? I think my email should be in the profile. Otherwise, PM me yours and we can get going.

By the way, all 4e books are allowed, right? (Specifically, Companion, Arsenal, and Unwired. Maybe Augmentation.)


The 4e books you listed are all legal, though not everything may be useful. (Genetic stuff in partciular seems ICly very new, and possibly only the province of specialized clinics.)

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post Apr 18 2010, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (Penta @ Apr 18 2010, 02:00 PM) *
The 4e books you listed are all legal, though not everything may be useful. (Genetic stuff in partciular seems ICly very new, and possibly only the province of specialized clinics.)

Oh, really? I was thinking of getting PuSHeD to reflect his background. (+1 to logic tests) >_>
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post Apr 18 2010, 09:16 PM
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That's my gut instinct, Faraday. As in, without digging through my books, that's how it seems.
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Minchandre
post Apr 18 2010, 09:30 PM
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Apparently, probationary members aren't allowed to send email.

Anyway, I do HAVE an AIM account (minchandre), but I haven't used it in a long time. I can boot it up if you want, though. We could also use Skype (to chat). Finally, email always works and I check mine several times a day.

Incidentally, what's your position on Availability <=12, but also F? Some GMs allow it, some don't, I've found.
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post Apr 18 2010, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE (Penta @ Apr 18 2010, 02:16 PM) *
That's my gut instinct, Faraday. As in, without digging through my books, that's how it seems.

From what I've read, some genetic enhancements are legal, if expensive, and don't require significant searching. Some of them are hard to get, being more extreme and cutting-edge. Adapsin is so new, it's not even on the market.
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post Apr 18 2010, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE (Minchandre @ Apr 18 2010, 05:30 PM) *
Apparently, probationary members aren't allowed to send email.

Anyway, I do HAVE an AIM account (minchandre), but I haven't used it in a long time. I can boot it up if you want, though. We could also use Skype (to chat). Finally, email always works and I check mine several times a day.

Incidentally, what's your position on Availability <=12, but also F? Some GMs allow it, some don't, I've found.


Mmmm, I'll allow it. So far as communications: AIM is always a good idea.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 18 2010, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE (Faraday @ Apr 18 2010, 06:37 PM) *
From what I've read, some genetic enhancements are legal, if expensive, and don't require significant searching. Some of them are hard to get, being more extreme and cutting-edge. Adapsin is so new, it's not even on the market.


Yeah, that's basically where I'm confused. I can't figure out how "new" genetech is supposed to be.
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post Apr 18 2010, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE (Penta @ Apr 18 2010, 03:45 PM) *
Yeah, that's basically where I'm confused. I can't figure out how "new" genetech is supposed to be.

I just go by availability. If it's under 12 (and legal), a character could reasonably get it. Especially a SINer.
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post Apr 18 2010, 11:52 PM
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There's a fair argument to be made in that regard, yes. I'll concede the point.
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post Apr 19 2010, 05:22 AM
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Thinking ahead slightly, does anyone have a better suggestion for the boat itself than a Morgan Cutlass?
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post Apr 19 2010, 06:12 AM
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QUOTE (Penta @ Apr 18 2010, 08:38 PM) *
Grinder: Mmmm. Thinking on this. My instinct is to say "No karma", because characters very well could be noobs. Note that the 20 points "slack space" I gave for BP also applies to karmagen, equivalently in value.

And for what it's worth, you aren't joining the Navy. You're, um...contractors.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



QUOTE (Grinder @ Apr 18 2010, 10:23 PM) *
20 BP is not that much Karma. I was thinking of 50 Karma Points. Makes sense for the Navy to hire a bunch of competent guys, I guess. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


My fellow players, what's your stance on this?

Btw, where can I download DamienKnight's XLS chargen sheet?
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post Apr 19 2010, 06:17 AM
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QUOTE (Grinder @ Apr 18 2010, 11:12 PM) *
My fellow players, what's your stance on this?

Btw, where can I download DamienKnight's XLS chargen sheet?
As long as our GM recognizes we are roughly equivalent to new 400 BP characters, we'll be ok.

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post Apr 19 2010, 07:28 AM
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QUOTE (Faraday @ Apr 19 2010, 08:17 AM) *
As long as our GM recognizes we are roughly equivalent to new 400 BP characters, we'll be ok.


You're supposed to be on my side, not the GM's (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Thanks for the link!
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post Apr 19 2010, 07:33 AM
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Will transfer my character build at the char sheet this week and likely modify a bit while doing it (just noted that my stats math was wrong).
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post Apr 19 2010, 08:35 AM
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I might post my build here as I think it could do with some optimization and such. Though I've yet to work out all mt DPs ect
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post Apr 19 2010, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE (Minchandre @ Apr 19 2010, 06:22 AM) *
Thinking ahead slightly, does anyone have a better suggestion for the boat itself than a Morgan Cutlass?



Which book is this?
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post Apr 19 2010, 11:29 AM
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The Morgan Cutlass is a patrol boat in the main sourcebook, Xahn. SR4A p. 349. Arsenal has several viable options, many of which are superior to the Cutlass in one degree or another. Speed is something that's very important for both pirates and privateers, so that certainly shouldn't be overlooked.
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post Apr 19 2010, 11:44 AM
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Whatever it is, it needs Amenities. If we had more money on this loan, I'd suggest the Celebrian Striker. It's perfect for what we need, with Weapon Mounts, Drone Racks... We could probably put a MDS on it as well with that Improved Sensor Array! The description actually says "capable of independent action." All we need now is 2,000,000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) . Mind you, if I was the UCAS Navy (and I could be), and I was hiring privateers, the idea of giving up a corvette to shadowrunners sounds... Iffy. I'd maybe do it, but don't expect the thing isn't so filled with trackers that Lone Star could actually find it without a map!
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post Apr 19 2010, 11:52 AM
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Instead of some massive, heavily armed ship, we could go with a single ship large enough to support the team and to act as a launcher for either smaller boats and/or jetskis. I'm not sure how the cost works out, but it could very well be a viable alternative. Not only would it let us have the speed and maneuverability to keep up with anything we encounter, but it let us flank targets and hit them from multiple sides while letting everyone who wanted to have their own vehicle and perform their own actions. The main ship could then sit in the background using long-range weapons while we zip around as tiny, hard to hit targets.

Could even throw in a small helicopter or two, too.

Just something to consider.
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post Apr 19 2010, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Apr 19 2010, 12:52 PM) *
Instead of some massive, heavily armed ship, we could go with a single ship large enough to support the team and to act as a launcher for either smaller boats and/or jetskis. I'm not sure how the cost works out, but it could very well be a viable alternative. Not only would it let us have the speed and maneuverability to keep up with anything we encounter, but it let us flank targets and hit them from multiple sides while letting everyone who wanted to have their own vehicle and perform their own actions. The main ship could then sit in the background using long-range weapons while we zip around as tiny, hard to hit targets.

Could even throw in a small helicopter or two, too.

Just something to consider.



Like a minicarrier? I'm for this idea!
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post Apr 19 2010, 12:24 PM
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Any one know where a quiver is stated out in the books? My elf character is going to be proficient with a bow and actually like to carry the arrows around in, besides sticking them into a backpack.
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post Apr 19 2010, 12:25 PM
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It's one of those "they don't need stats" things. If you really need to do so, look up Smart Ammo Pouches in Arsenal and try to extrapolate something from that. It's about as close as you'll get as far as I know. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 19 2010, 01:23 PM
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okey-dokey, thank you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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