Why would anyone ever get a Cybertorso Options

[Samoth]

That is, unless you were going for a full cyber body?

1.5 essence for a "shell" (not a replacement) that still comes with physical stats of 3, which would require 99% of runners to pump more money into it to get the stats to match their physical norms. Torsos do have a decent amount of capacity, but you can't put actually useful things like hydrolic jacks or gyromounts in them. Well, I guess you probably could, but they wouldn't have any use. You can pump it full of armor, which I believe the max would be 10 points, but even then it would apply to the 1/5 rule for cyber armor, so you'd get an unimpressive +2/+2 for the expenditure. I guess it's great if you want to add 1 point to your condition monitor and put in multiple free internal air tanks...

[D2F]

That is, unless you were going for a full cyber body?

1.5 essence for a "shell" (not a replacement) that still comes with physical stats of 3, which would require 99% of runners to pump more money into it to get the stats to match their physical norms. Torsos do have a decent amount of capacity, but you can't put actually useful things like hydrolic jacks or gyromounts in them. Well, I guess you probably could, but they wouldn't have any use. You can pump it full of armor, which I believe the max would be 10 points, but even then it would apply to the 1/5 rule for cyber armor, so you'd get an unimpressive +2/+2 for the expenditure. I guess it's great if you want to add 1 point to your condition monitor and put in multiple free internal air tanks...

Articulated Arm;) And you can alwys go for cyberholsters =)
Also, a Cyvertorso is the requirement to put enhancents higher than +7 in your cyberarms/cyberlegs. While I don't consider Cybertoros a great choice (they are a rather poor one), I still consider them better than Cyberskulls.

[Samoth]

Articulated Arm;) And you can alwys go for cyberholsters =)
Also, a Cyvertorso is the requirement to put enhancents higher than +7 in your cyberarms/cyberlegs. While I don't consider Cybertoros a great choice (they are a rather poor one), I still consider them better than Cyberskulls.

I know you're joking, but Articulated Arm is Forbidden isn't it?

As for holsters -- do your characters normally run around topless?

[Ol' Scratch]

That is, unless you were going for a full cyber body?

1.5 essence for a "shell" (not a replacement) that still comes with physical stats of 3, which would require 99% of runners to pump more money into it to get the stats to match their physical norms. Torsos do have a decent amount of capacity, but you can't put actually useful things like hydrolic jacks or gyromounts in them. Well, I guess you probably could, but they wouldn't have any use. You can pump it full of armor, which I believe the max would be 10 points, but even then it would apply to the 1/5 rule for cyber armor, so you'd get an unimpressive +2/+2 for the expenditure. I guess it's great if you want to add 1 point to your condition monitor and put in multiple free internal air tanks...

First, the splitting (which is 1/6, not 1/5) only occurs for a cyberlimb's attributes -- a term that has a very specific meaning within the rules. Armor is not an attribute, despite what the FAQ suggests.

Second, it's a viable option for anyone who has the cash to spare and has some really hardcore need to max out their augmented attributes through implants. Without the cybertorso, you can't do that unless your natural attributes are always maxed out. And if you have the cash to get it, why not? Sure, it's not something most people would go after if they were only looking for one or two limbs, but that doesn't mean it's useless.

Third, the biggest perk of any cyberlimb is the storage capacity for other things. I tend to cram mine full of all kinds of things, and you can often end up saving more Essence than you lose depending on what you choose. Assuming, of course, you were planning on getting those implants anyway. Of all the limbs, the cybertorso is also the easiest one to conceal.

[TheOOB]

I know you're joking, but Articulated Arm is Forbidden isn't it?

As for holsters -- do your characters normally run around topless?

If they have cyber torso's they do. And from a none gameplay stand point, not everyone who gor cyber did so because it made them more powerful.

[D2F]

I know you're joking, but Articulated Arm is Forbidden isn't it?

As for holsters -- do your characters normally run around topless?

Yes, articulated arms are forbidden =) And quite obvious.
As for the topless: Hell, if I had a casemodded Cybertorso... Drek Yeah, I'd run around topless!

[DireRadiant]

I know you're joking, but Articulated Arm is Forbidden isn't it?

As for holsters -- do your characters normally run around topless?

Pockets... without liners can provide access. Just cover the cyber torso with ruthenium and have it look pretty.

[Creel]

Yes, articulated arms are forbidden =) And quite obvious.
As for the topless: Hell, if I had a casemodded Cybertorso... Drek Yeah, I'd run around topless!

Can we say Distinctive Style?

[D2F]

Can we say Distinctive Style?

Yeah, but don't have to buy it off with karma.

[Samoth]

First, the splitting (which is 1/6, not 1/5) only occurs for a cyberlimb's attributes -- a term that has a very specific meaning within the rules. Armor is not an attribute, despite what the FAQ suggests.

Second, it's a viable option for anyone who has the cash to spare and has some really hardcore need to max out their augmented attributes through implants. Without the cybertorso, you can't do that unless your natural attributes are always maxed out. And if you have the cash to get it, why not? Sure, it's not something most people would go after if they were only looking for one or two limbs, but that doesn't mean it's useless.

Third, the biggest perk of any cyberlimb is the storage capacity for other things. I tend to cram mine full of all kinds of things, and you can often end up saving more Essence than you lose depending on what you choose. Assuming, of course, you were planning on getting those implants anyway. Of all the limbs, the cybertorso is also the easiest one to conceal.

So in terms of armor, you can put 10 points or whatever the max is in and it will count as unencumbered cumulative body armor?

[Ol' Scratch]

A-yup.

[Werewindlefr]

So you can put enough armor to soak heavy gauss fire on a metahuman body, but not on an APC.

[Banaticus]

You don't understand, it's not a metahuman body anymore -- it's a cybertorso with 10 armor. Besides, the Ares Citymaster APC comes standard with 20 armor.

[D2F]

You don't understand, it's not a metahuman body anymore -- it's a cybertorso with 10 armor. Besides, the Ares Citymaster APC comes standard with 20 armor.

He was refering to a full cyberlimb replacement with a total of 22 armor (assuming no bulk modifications) with his remark. And that would be on top of worn armor.

[Mordinvan]

You don't understand, it's not a metahuman body anymore -- it's a cybertorso with 10 armor. Besides, the Ares Citymaster APC comes standard with 20 armor.

Ya, but then you can armor up cyber limb and a cyber skull and get level of armor that are honestly approaching stupid for being such a small target. Then step into heavy milspec armor, throw on a helmet and shield, get armor spells cast, have spirits possess both you AND your armor, AND your shield, and then see the game break.

[Dumori]

I'd just have my armor and shield possessed with the service act as said object and use what ever powers would help. That way your superman of a tank can still function normally with all his skills ect.

[Draco18s]

Ya, but then you can armor up cyber limb and a cyber skull and get level of armor that are honestly approaching stupid for being such a small target. Then step into heavy milspec armor, throw on a helmet and shield, get armor spells cast, have spirits possess both you AND your armor, AND your shield, and then see the game break.

For a cost pushing the limits on what you can get as chargen, and all you did was make yourself weaker. Cyberware doesn't increase your willpower, or your stun track, and all the damage you'll take will be stun. Plus you used up all your capacity outfitting yourself with more armor.

If I was the GM and you were the player all I'd have to do is drop a stunbolt on you and down goes the million dollar cyberman.

[Creel]

Ya, but then you can armor up cyber limb and a cyber skull and get level of armor that are honestly approaching stupid for being such a small target. Then step into heavy milspec armor, throw on a helmet and shield, get armor spells cast, have spirits possess both you AND your armor, AND your shield, and then see the game break.

Still doesn't make you invincible. even if you manage to cram all that cyber in you without becoming a zombie, all you're really defending against is bigger hammers. There are still less-than-lethal options to shut you down. a pair of HE grenades may not get through all of your armor, but it'll do a number on any exposed weaponry you have. Spirits can be banished/disrupted. After your offensive capability is gone, subdual combat can be attempted; you may be a metal monster, but I can find 5 trolls and a particularly spunky dwarf that'll be willing to take you to the mat. It's lame and munchkinny, but not game breaking.

[Creel]

For a cost pushing the limits on what you can get as chargen, and all you did was make yourself weaker. Cyberware doesn't increase your willpower, or your stun track, and all the damage you'll take will be stun. Plus you used up all your capacity outfitting yourself with more armor.

If I was the GM and you were the player all I'd have to do is drop a stunbolt on you and down goes the million dollar cyberman.

I was figuring his spirits were working some countermagic mojo, but if you can pull it off your way is definitely the simplest.

[D2F]

For a cost pushing the limits on what you can get as chargen, and all you did was make yourself weaker. Cyberware doesn't increase your willpower, or your stun track, and all the damage you'll take will be stun. Plus you used up all your capacity outfitting yourself with more armor.

If I was the GM and you were the player all I'd have to do is drop a stunbolt on you and down goes the million dollar cyberman.

What makes you think he'd have low Willpower?

[kjones]

10 points of armor is not enough to soak a Gauss cannon - you'd need... um... more than that.

[D2F]

10 points of armor is not enough to soak a Gauss cannon - you'd need... um... more than that.

To soak a (Itzcóatl) Gauss cannon hit (with one net hit), you'd need (on average) 134 points of ballistic armor (completely discounting body for the resistance test; count 1 body as 2 armor in this calculation).

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[Ol' Scratch]

I was figuring his spirits were working some countermagic mojo, but if you can pull it off your way is definitely the simplest.

Even if some GM was stupid enough to let a player do it, and some player was stupid enough to even bother trying, no amount of Willpower + Counterspelling would be more difficult to get past than ~50 points of armor.

[Yerameyahu]

Either way, it's still a silly amount of armor, we all know that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Mesh]

How about someone's body is crushed and mangled past the point of repair and someone managed to stabilize them. A quick rebuild fix could be a torso. Plenty of RP reasons for one other than using it for min/maxxing.

Mesh