Moderator Complaints Options

[Grinder]

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[Method]

Then why, if you already had the list, do you need a few days to send it? No one so far has been able to answer that question.

I already answered your question. We don't work from a list. But we are all aware of what we're discussing. It's a special talent we have.

I doubt I am the only one who thinks this is strange, claiming one knows exactly what a warning is for, but still needing days to actually list it.

I doubt the mods are the only ones who think you needed a warning for being inflammatory and baiting arguments. This thread is case in point. We answered your questions and yet you continue harp on the same point over and over again like you were in CGL #6. It's is pretty clear that you are looking for an argument not answers.

[Fuchs]

I already answered your question. We don't work from a list. But we are all aware of what we're discussing. It's a special talent we have.

I doubt the mods are the only ones who think you needed a warning for being inflammatory and baiting arguments. This thread is case in point. We answered your questions and yet you continue harp on the same point over and over again like you were in CGL #6. It's is pretty clear that you are looking for an argument not answers.

My question was - finally - answered in a PM.

I do maintain that any warning should have the posts it is issued for attached. Do you disagree with that?

Also, cussing at people in PMs - and worse - is not exactly what one does expect from moderators. Even if it is done in german.

[KCKitsune]

I doubt the mods are the only ones who think you needed a warning for being inflammatory and baiting arguments. This thread is case in point. We answered your questions and yet you continue harp on the same point over and over again like you were in CGL #6. It's is pretty clear that you are looking for an argument not answers.

No, Method, I think that Fuchs is completely correct in his assessment of this situation.

If you're going to go "Naughty, Naughty, mustn't do!" Then you had better say WHY you're giving a warning. Otherwise you're sending the wrong message to people.

[Grinder]

As Fuchs said, his question has been answered. Every warning message comes via PM and/ or an email-adress, so the offender can contact the moderator team.

[Fuchs]

As Fuchs said, his question has been answered. Every warning message comes via PM and/ or an email-adress, so the offender can contact the moderator team.

Though not every PM they get from a moderator if they do that is informative, or even civil. But as we heard here, mods are allowed to cuss posters out in PMs.

[Grinder]

Maybe we're humans too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rollin.gif)

[Chrome Tiger]

Fuchs, you are correct and you should have been provided with examples of the infractions reported against you. Every report comes into the moderators inboxes and it gets posted up on a mod forum where we ALL decide whether it is worthy of a warning or not. Of course, we are not all sitting at a computer 24/7 so we do not all immediately chime in for or against each issue, hence the delay. Of course, this does not excuse you being denied the information you should have gotten as it was definitely available the moment it hit the forums. We will either be reading the forums and report it ourselves or it will be reported by a fellow user. Either way, the data is part of the process from the beginning and honestly, I believe it should be available to all parties until the end because the accused has a right to know what they are doing. Again, this was an unfortunate oversight.

As for overruling the moderators? That is why we have everything go through discussion in the first place, so we do not have a moderator go off half-cocked and throw the ban hammer around for a personal vendetta or a bad day. If something happens and someone is banned, it is the result of a group decision. This can add to the time it can take for action to be dealt out, unfortunately, but I believe a fair justice system is a little more attractive to the populace than a hair-trigger one.

And as Grinder said, we are human. We have our own quirks, flaws, and ideas on how things should be. Should you have been cussed out via PM? Definitely not. In fact, I would expect you to report that PM because moderator abuse is worse than regular user abuse.

[Fuchs]

Can I report a PM even though I was explicitely told by the mod in question that giving away info from a PM is against the ToS?

[Chrome Tiger]

If a PM is inflammatory and abusive, report it and reference it. There is a great difference between sharing personal information sent via PM onto the public forums and reporting an abuse case via PM. I am a relatively new mod, but I strongly believe that the rules need to apply to everyone including the mods. Hiding behind the ban hammer does not excuse anyone from the guidelines we try to adhere to on the forums.

I am not indicating that this is the case, but if there is ever counter evidence in such cases, that is going to be welcome from both sides and evaluated.

[Grinder]

Can I report a PM even though I was explicitely told by the mod in question that giving away info from a PM is against the ToS?

Dude, I meant the list with that. Thought I was clear about that. Next time, I'll try better. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)

[nezumi]

By the by, would it be possible to put a 'confirm' step on the report button? There might be one already, I'm not going to test it, but I recall being quite embarassed having accidentally reported myself for 'inappropriate content' (fortunately, no moderator warnings came of it but, you know... it could have.)

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

Maybe we're humans too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rollin.gif)

I thought you were god-like creatures... oh man... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[DireRadiant]

By the by, would it be possible to put a 'confirm' step on the report button? There might be one already, I'm not going to test it, but I recall being quite embarassed having accidentally reported myself for 'inappropriate content' (fortunately, no moderator warnings came of it but, you know... it could have.)

Probably not worth the cost for the benefit.

It's better for the moderators to receive more reports from the community since that kind of direct feedback is what better enables us to respond to community concerns. If we never hear about things then no action can be taken in situations that benefit from it.

[Grinder]

I thought you were god-like creatures... oh man... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

Shhh.... That's what we call "a secret". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[SinN]

Grinder, youre my hero (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif)

[Grinder]

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[nezumi]

Probably not worth the cost for the benefit.

It's better for the moderators to receive more reports from the community since that kind of direct feedback is what better enables us to respond to community concerns. If we never hear about things then no action can be taken in situations that benefit from it.

I mean to say, I've clicked the 'report' button while in a drunken stupor and trying to click on the 'top' button, as they're right next to each other. An "undo" would be nice, so I stop accidentally reporting whoever posted last in a thread.

[DireRadiant]

I mean to say, I've clicked the 'report' button while in a drunken stupor and trying to click on the 'top' button, as they're right next to each other. An "undo" would be nice, so I stop accidentally reporting whoever posted last in a thread.

It reports that specific post regardless of where it is in the thread.

[SinN]

Can I be a moderator too? I wanna cuss out total douchebaa.....um...valued and *cough cough* respectable members of the forums.

[nezumi]

It reports that specific post regardless of where it is in the thread.

I know, but the point is, I don't push the 'top' button when I'm already at the top of the thread. When I'm at the bottom, I try to push the 'top' button, but hit 'report' on accident sometimes.

[Chrome Tiger]

I know, but the point is, I don't push the 'top' button when I'm already at the top of the thread. When I'm at the bottom, I try to push the 'top' button, but hit 'report' on accident sometimes.

Actually, it will drop you to a screen where you are able to enter notes before the report is submitted. At that point, just hit the 'back' button and continue along your merry way.

[Fuchs]

Where is the report button for PMs?

[Ol' Scratch]

Can I be a moderator too? I wanna cuss out total douchebaa.....um...valued and *cough cough* respectable members of the forums.

Just remember one thing: Whatever you do, don't say people are full of shit (even when they are). If you leave out the S and H, it's probably okay, though. Because, you know, naughty words are apparently against the ToS. Sometimes. Or something. I haven't quite figured it out as of yet. But I'm working on it.

[Kagetenshi]

Really? Man, things have gone downhill around here.

~J