CGL Speculation #7 Options

[Saint Sithney]

The second, because the leakers have shown a clear opinion that they'd like CGL to fail, and leaking good news for CGL would work against that purpose.

Yeah, one of those "leakers" is a part owner of IMR...

Frank went into this cock-up with an agenda. No one else had beef like that.

[Cardul]

Sooo...I know you're trying to argue that the "leakers" are selectively releasing facts to make IMR look bad (despite the fact that most threads about the topic appear to be collecting any and all information/rumors/etc. good or bad), but the way you've phrased it you're basically kvetching that the leakers aren't leaking enough. Which is rather silly. Whenever IMR has anything remotely positive, they've been the first ones on the line to tell everybody about it. What's more likely to you: that there is no good news because IMR is deliberately suppressing it, that there is no good news because the leakers are deliberately not leaking it, or that at the moment there just is no good news (or bad news, or news of any kind for the last couple of days)?

(relevant section bolded for emphasis) So, AH....can we have some links to the good information/rumours not from
IMR/CGL directly, but from our leaks?

There are good news rumors that I have not repeated for a couple of reasons, mainly that they either are not yet fully confirmed or because there are pieces of information I'm not at liberty to share for a variety of reasons. So yes, there is good news that I am deliberately not leaking.

Jason H.

I am sure you do, Mr. Hardy. The problem is that the people who are not as ethical as you are not doing their
part and leaking the good news. This is my issue: the Insider Info Leaks from CGL are only leaking the bad
stuff, like Coleman's draws(none of the debts CGL owed him from the start up, how much CGL is supposed to
be paying him for things like the office space, his share of profits, how many of those draws were to pay people
for stuff for CGL, etc). Their leaks are onesided, and painting things in the most damaging light possible, avoiding
anything that could put things into perspective, or in anyway be positive or hopeful.

Honestly, the only good news we have heard is from the statements from CGL. I wish we would hear more
from them.

[Ancient History]

(relevant section bolded for emphasis) So, AH....can we have some links to the good information/rumours not from
IMR/CGL directly, but from our leaks?

Well, speaking only for myself I told everybody when I got paid for Vice. That was good news towards Vice going back on the market.

[Lansdren]

Well, speaking only for myself I told everybody when I got paid for Vice. That was good news towards Vice going back on the market.

But from a selfish point of view makes my copy much less special


and I need all the special I can get (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)


although seriously it was good to know that things are being paid for

[Fuchs]

I find the idea that IMR would suppress positive news not very convincing.

[Nemo]

I find the idea that IMR would suppress positive news not very convincing.

They don't suppress them, they only don't publish them. And why should IMR do so? Just to satisfy your curiousity?

[Fuchs]

They don't suppress them, they only don't publish them. And why should IMR do so? Just to satisfy your curiousity?

Good PR.

[PaulK]

Bear in mind, though, that any good lawyer will tell you to keep your mouth shut when you are involved in a lawsuit. Personally I think the whole situation is stupid and was avoidable, however I can't think too badly of Catalyst for laywering up. That's just prudence.

/Paul

[JM Hardy]

I find the idea that IMR would suppress positive news not very convincing.

As I said, there are things I can't speak of until they're confirmed--it simply would not be wise of me to do so. And there are times when speaking in more details about positive news would actually jeopardize the progress I would like to see happen. For example, if I were to reveal the names of the various industry people that Randall referred to in the letter to the freelancers, I'd be violating both the trust people put in me by letting me know those names and the trust those people put in CGL management by reaching out to them. That, in turn, could help turn a positive relationship into a negative one. Which would make that a stupid move by me.

Hypothetically, the same thing would be the case for negotiations about the renewal of the license. If I had some positive inside information and I let that information leak, Topps might not look too kindly on that sort of thing, and I'd be putting ongoing negotiations in jeopardy due to my lack of professionalism. Those who want CGL to survive, continue publishing material, and pay off existing debt have no desire to leak things that could short-circuit positive developments and keep them from eventually coming to full fruition.

Jason H.

[Endroren]

I find the idea that IMR would suppress positive news not very convincing.

There are lots of reasons to do this. What if some heroic investor is swooping in from the sidelines to pay off any debts and save the company? Even if they were deep into negotiations and everyone was 99.999% sure it would go through, this isn't something they would tell us until it happens - which would be the "suppression of good news." So there very easily could be good news out there that we don't know about.

At the same time, belittling "leakers" for failing to provide ammunition for people with a different agenda doesn't seem particularly logical. It might be frustrating for folks who want a two-sided inside scoop, but why would you expect anything different?

[emouse]

It's not like it really matters if positive news is leaked anyhow. It's all rumor and speculation. The only thing that really matters is what IMR does. Paying their debts and staying in business is more significant than feeding the rumor mill good or bad information.

I think their responses to various rumors have managed to be measured and appropriate. It's better to prove someone wrong with reality than with unverifiable claims.

On the flip side, if they did leak a bunch of 'good' information, it wouldn't matter much if they then closed up.

Enjoy the spectacle, but realize it could be weeks or even months before the situation resolves.

While I'm at it, on a slightly tangential note, has there been any further movement with the bankruptcy filing? Has anyone else signed on, or has IMR responded yet?

[Ancient History]

While I'm at it, on a slightly tangential note, has there been any further movement with the bankruptcy filing? Has anyone else signed on, or has IMR responded yet?

As of today, no. Currently PACER says its waiting for IMR/their lawyer to respond, which they have until about next week to do.

[hermit]

At the same time, belittling "leakers" for failing to provide ammunition for people with a different agenda doesn't seem particularly logical. It might be frustrating for folks who want a two-sided inside scoop, but why would you expect anything different?

Nobody expects them to. However, nobody should claim they are telling the whole story either.

[emouse]

Nobody expects them to. However, nobody should claim they are telling the whole story either.

Going in assuming no one is telling the full story is usually a good policy.

[hermit]

Of course.

[otakusensei]

Of course.

I fully agree that people should take unsubstantiated information with a grain of salt and assume still that they are never getting the whole truth. However I find it hard to swallow that the parties involved, including those that have stated a bias against IMR, would be withholding positive information. Or could for that matter. It's more logical to me to assume that there just isn't that much to be had. Maybe that's naive, but I think it's more realistic than assuming that IMR is just keeping quiet about the 11th hour investor that they secured. Especially given the accusations and revelations, who would want to see their money disappear into this mess?

[emouse]

Well, there is a new bit of positive information, posted to the official Shadowrun site and Twitter. All previously frozen Shadowrun books are back on sale.

[hermit]

Maybe that's naive, but I think it's more realistic than assuming that IMR is just keeping quiet about the 11th hour investor that they secured. Especially given the accusations and revelations, who would want to see their money disappear into this mess?

You ever heared of this strange place called "Wall Street"? For some reason, despite it burning money in truly epic proportions and being a den of crooks and thieves, people continue to throw money at it. Weird, huh. Shouldn't hapen, by your reasoning.

However I find it hard to swallow that the parties involved, including those that have stated a bias against IMR, would be withholding positive information.

Why? If someone thinks CGL looking like crap to the public would serve their interests, to try and sway Topps away from them or to work out grudges or whatever end, be publishing positive information?

Also, all checks paid out and the books seem to have been released, so ... I guess that counts as good and might have been one of the things Jason Hardy did not want to elaborate on before it's done?

[Ancient History]

<shrug> If it makes anyone feel any better, I wouldn't take the release of e-novels as a great sign and I sorta personally question Jason's assertion that the other books are unfrozen. I know for a fact that the former is little more than a desperate money-grabbing scheme (albeit a desperate money-grabbing scheme that has been in the works for quite some time, though I think they hoped to get the books actually paper-published when I was on board). As to the latter, I had talked to some people last week that had either difficulties receiving their checks or had refused to cash them (and so still hold the copyright); those conditions might have changed, but otherwise I don't think you'd be seeing Midnight unfrozen.

[hermit]

Of course the Findley books are a money grabbing scheme. It also, however, finally is searchable SR books. I have been waiting for this for some time, and unlike sourcebooks/rules books, it's hard to find that ... elsewhere (and even those usually are scanned images, not searchable, which is the one feature I love about .pdf). I'd hope formore, once I find out if I can use them as I want to.

I'd be surprised if CGL would just release these books if they hadn't clearance from all rights withholders ... might well be utter desperation, but then again, it might not.

Also, in selfish and unrelated news, the Paranormals of North America download is damaged and right now I am sort of pissed.

[Zolhex]

I got the Paranormal Animals just fine

[hermit]

I got a zipped file, and if I try and unpack it, I get an error message that this file is damaged. Am I doing it wrong somehow?

[Ol' Scratch]

Maybe the transfer was bad. You can always try downloading it again or even repairing the zip file. It could be something as simple as a corrupted header.

[Catadmin]

I got a zipped file, and if I try and unpack it, I get an error message that this file is damaged. Am I doing it wrong somehow?

What program are you using? That might be your problem.

My understanding is the books are in .rar format. A freeware program called 7-zip should extract it just fine.

[tweak]

<shrug> If it makes anyone feel any better, I wouldn't take the release of e-novels as a great sign and I sorta personally question Jason's assertion that the other books are unfrozen. I know for a fact that the former is little more than a desperate money-grabbing scheme (albeit a desperate money-grabbing scheme that has been in the works for quite some time, though I think they hoped to get the books actually paper-published when I was on board). As to the latter, I had talked to some people last week that had either difficulties receiving their checks or had refused to cash them (and so still hold the copyright); those conditions might have changed, but otherwise I don't think you'd be seeing Midnight unfrozen.

The releases that showed up yesterday surprised me. They came out of left field. Any idea what prompted the releases of these books?