[X] My Assistant

[TranKirsaKali]

YOu need to add a slash ( / ) to the closing tags for them to work properly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) {Quote}Like this, but with regular brackets!{/Quote}

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Bull

Thank you. I knew I was doing something wrong but not what. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And Thank you for working on this. It sounds like you have some really good ideas.

[Minchandre]

I see letting the runners know what the item is as the carrot for doing the job. What the corp may think I would want and what I think may not coincide. To me it is kind of like the Johnson telling us how much he is going to pay us before we start. I mean would you really be willing to do a job for the promise of some random amount of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) ? I know I wouldn't. Heck we like Mr. Smith because he gets us as much (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) as possible. Now I am not saying that the extra run should have a chance for negotiations. Just that I am more likely to do the extra job if I know what my prize is.

Sorry, I didn't mean telling the players the nuyen range, I meant not have any fixed item, and offer the range as a guideline for the GM.

[Axl]

The Missions should a list a few items from each affiliation for the tasks, and allow the GM to assign the most appropriate item. That would prevent the "useless item" problem.

[SaintHax]

The Missions should a list a few items from each affiliation for the tasks, and allow the GM to assign the most appropriate item. That would prevent the "useless item" problem.

The only problem there becomes generic affilations. The affilations should just keep closer to a theme. You should know that Shiawase is giving Nano, Ares bang-bang, etc.

[TranKirsaKali]

The only problem there becomes generic affilations. The affilations should just keep closer to a theme. You should know that Shiawase is giving Nano, Ares bang-bang, etc.

I can handle that. Just as long as magic users can get in the game on more than one affiliation. Horizon can get a bit weird. LOL And the NOA's should be generic. They are out in a realm all of their own.

[Bull]

Keep in mind too... if you're talking a Megacorproation, they deal in EVERYTHING. Just because Ares is the "Gun Corp", don't think they don't have a magic division, and a matrix division, and a fashion division. Ares probably owns an equivalent to Victoria's Secret and and Avon.

Smaller corporations, it gets a bit dicier, but... Hey, we're talking Shadowrunners and the black market here anyway. If they don't have it, they know someone who does. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Bull

[Chance359]

I still think you shouldnt actually know who your affiliation works for.

[SaintHax]

Keep in mind too... if you're talking a Megacorproation, they deal in EVERYTHING.

This is true, but we have a give in take with "realism" and "game function". I figure the extras are going to be R&D in what they specialize in.

I still think you shouldnt actually know who your affiliation works for.

I hope this is how Johnson's are treated now on. SRM has had very trusting and open Johnsons for a while.

[KnightRunner]

This is true, but we have a give in take with "realism" and "game function". I figure the extras are going to be R&D in what they specialize in.

Maybe Maybe not. Corps might not want to give away too many "signature" items. And Runners might not want them. Loading down with a bunch of Ares hardware is a good way to give away an affiliation. This could weigh into the some decisions.

Ultimately it is more likely to be financially motivated. Giving away items of low value to the corp, but useful to the runner. This could actually be used for humorous effect. For example: Novatech has a new commlink with high end hardware and sales are going great. Except for the pink ones that marketing was certain would be in style.



Truth be told I would rather see such Rewards given out not as items of value, but favors that can be called in.

for example: You earn Affiliation points for playing along. You can then spend these points later. Say you have earned 3 Affiliation Points, with your Ares contact over the last few runs. You then run into some trouble with your ID at a security checkpoint. For the cost of 2 Affiliation Points, your contact can pull some strings. "Sorry sir turns out your license for the Wired Reflexes is in order. Just a system Glitch. Have a nice day."

[Bull]

That's actually not a bad idea, Knightrunner... I don't think that's quite the direction we're going in, but still... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And... It;s about origins time. Hrmm... I guess I can spoil you guys a bit. New thread incoming shortly...

Bull

[KnightRunner]

That's actually not a bad idea, Knightrunner...

Well even a blind Sow finds a acorn every now and then! (Sorry I live in the Ozarks.)

[LurkerOutThere]

Origins is like Chrismas now Yay!

[FireHand]

My only real question about Affiliations (and I really do like the idea, BTW) is do you get some sort of contact to keep in touch with in regard to the affiliation... or is any communication just like the voice of God booming out of the sky?

[SaintHax]

for example: You earn Affiliation points for playing along. You can then spend these points later. Say you have earned 3 Affiliation Points, with your Ares contact over the last few runs. You then run into some trouble with your ID at a security checkpoint. For the cost of 2 Affiliation Points, your contact can pull some strings. "Sorry sir turns out your license for the Wired Reflexes is in order. Just a system Glitch. Have a nice day."

Not a bad idea for some of the contacts either.

Speaking of which-- I hope GM's get to give contacts and this silly trading card contact only stuff gets fixed.

[Aaron]

Truth be told I would rather see such Rewards given out not as items of value, but favors that can be called in.

Like Favors, p. 288, SR4A? Yeah, that's a good system for tracking traded favors, but this system was designed specifically for Manhattan. It's a system where individual runners can sell out (a theme of Manhattan if you read the info in Corporate Enclaves) without becoming full-on company men. By nature it's a compromise, so it's not going to be super strong, but hopefully it's been doing a fair job of conveying the theme.

[jakephillips]

Affiliations as they stand in Season 3 are, IMO, a problem. In concept, they're a good idea. In execution, they lack. We're looking at changing the way they work a bit for Season 4.

Bull

I agree when some of the affiliations goal is to sabotage the mission and screw the rest of the party.
We had somone fry the drone with an acid spell and then get mad when we assensed the astral trace and found out it was her. Because of the transient nature of missions there are no repercussions for costing your party 5 k in pay and 2 karma EACH for completing your mission. Makes me want to Influence spell my whole team into not double crossing us during the initial meeting.

[suoq]

Since
1) my contacts aren't widely impressive at getting me stuff.
2) the team's face isn't supposed to be doing the shopping (according to the comments I have)
3) I have this mysterious contact who I rat my team out to on a regular basis and who often rewards me with someone bizarrely random (which he refuses to tell me about in advance).

Why can't he just do the shopping?

"Dude. You work for Ares. I'll drop off credsticks that you can use to pay your other shadowrunners in cash, instead of random stuff that needs to get out of the warehouse. All I'm asking for is for you to check and see if this stuff is sitting in the warehouse and if so, we can do a little business."

[Fringe]

Since
1) my contacts aren't widely impressive at getting me stuff.
2) the team's face isn't supposed to be doing the shopping (according to the comments I have)
3) I have this mysterious contact who I rat my team out to on a regular basis and who often rewards me with someone bizarrely random (which he refuses to tell me about in advance).

Why can't he just do the shopping?

"Dude. You work for Ares. I'll drop off credsticks that you can use to pay your other shadowrunners in cash, instead of random stuff that needs to get out of the warehouse. All I'm asking for is for you to check and see if this stuff is sitting in the warehouse and if so, we can do a little business."

I like this idea, and I think there's a similar concept in SRM03-12, Elevator Ride to Hell:

[ Spoiler ]

A lot of the Affiliate rewards for SRM03-12 are selectable (limited to a particular type of item by Affiliate and limited to a monetary cost).

Not really that much of a spoiler, since the whole list is published in another thread on this forum. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)