 CCOC - a new deck-builder, All-in-one solution for Matrix players |
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 Feb 18 2004, 10:44 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387  |
CCOC - a new deck-builder, all-software-handler and misc. components too.
CCOC v1.0 is released, being the first stable version you can actually do something with. The program core is complete, meaning all is left is fancy graphics and integrating SIFF. Homepage - http://ccoc.sf.net/ Project homepage - http://sf.net/projects/ccoc/ Download - here |
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Feb 18 2004, 10:56 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
would it be much trouble to add a 'total' field somewhere, to add up all the costs?
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Feb 18 2004, 11:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 22-October 03 From: Marianna Member No.: 5,753 |
... It lets you exceed 6 essence on a cranial cyberdeck with out any validity issues.
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Feb 18 2004, 11:36 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
The cranial deck is intentioly unrelated to the metahuman body - meaning, there's nothing wrong with building a cranial deck which requires essence 8; installing it in a normal metahuman is the problem. Because CCOC has nothing to do with metahuman bodies, let alone installation of cyberware in it (future version of Vaklyrie Module should take care of this), there's no point in essence limiting. The other request has been added to the 2do list and will be fixed by tomorrow, probably. Thanks for the feedback. |
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Feb 18 2004, 11:45 PM
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GM of DOOM! Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 20-March 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 4,296 |
However, wouldn't the program be more useful if it had an in game application? Since nobody can install a cranial cyberdeck over 6 essence, shouldn't you limit it in order to make it a functional tool?
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Feb 19 2004, 12:00 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
Well, you can alphaware, etc. to get past the 6 essence limit.
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Feb 19 2004, 12:01 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,035 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Anahiem, CA Member No.: 100 |
How does that suddenly make it a non-fuctional tool? You can do everything else that you need to do, plus a little more. Besides, you never know, you may run into the beta or delta version of that cranial deck, in which case, you can install it.
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Feb 19 2004, 12:05 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
Exactly :) Besides, don't forget cyber-zombies. I suppose I stand in the front of a different way of seeing shadowrun software; everything is apart. Note that utilities that you create are added into a "virtual" inventory list, not added to the deck itself. Precisely because the deck can be moved around regardless of the programs (if the programs are in storage memory, that's another case). Don't know exactly how to explain it, hope somebody does understand :) |
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Feb 19 2004, 12:08 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
I agree with grey on this one. Hey: You could go a -3 essence cyberzombie using a deltaware 17.8 essence cranial cyberdeck and a deltaware datajack.
Anyway: That's enough of bashing REM on a single bad call. Aside from that: Great Job! [edit]Dammn you! Quick-post does drek when you're on light stun from sleep deprivation...[/edit] |
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Feb 19 2004, 12:28 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Move-By-Wire 4, basic grade, takes 8 Essence. Sounds like this is following in the footsteps of canon. What's the program written in? ~J |
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Feb 19 2004, 12:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 22-October 03 From: Marianna Member No.: 5,753 |
actually it let me build one that took about 12 essence to install.
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Feb 19 2004, 12:31 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
Still, there is the cyberzombie possibility.
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Feb 19 2004, 12:36 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
It's written in Borland Delphi 7, and it's open-source (you must have noticed the source-code file).
Additionally - don't forget that by building idiot-proof software you're essentially limiting users to canon rules; the idea is to inform the user what he's doing is invalid (at least according to the canon rules) but still allow him to proceed if he wishes to. |
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Feb 19 2004, 01:41 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
indeed. that way, your prog isn't suddenly useless if the GM decides to set a game in 2080, where gammaware is the 'ware grade to get.
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Feb 19 2004, 03:55 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
No, I didn't, because at the time I tried to access Sourceforge the servers were having scheduled downtime :P ;) I ask because I'm one of those users around using OSX, and was wondering as to the possibility of compatibility. I'll have to check on that; I'm unfamiliar with Delphi 7 ~J |
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Feb 19 2004, 08:15 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: 19-March 03 Member No.: 4,292 |
Hmm, i downloaded the ccoc-1.0-exe-only.exe and the source, if i start it, there is a failure. How do i install/use it?
I extracted the source into same folder as .exe and hoped it would start the program. But it did not work... :( :wobble: |
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Feb 19 2004, 09:43 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
it will be easier to help you if you copy the text of the error and post it; otherwise, there's no real way to tell what's wrong. you don't need to install the program at all; it should simply pop up when you double-click the .exe. note that you don't need the source code to run the program; the source is so other coders can pick through the code.
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Feb 19 2004, 11:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: 19-March 03 Member No.: 4,292 |
Sorry, not at home, there was a message, that a certain command could not be executed, do i need Delphi my self to run CCOC? I will give you the exact message when i am back home...
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Feb 19 2004, 12:10 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
I'm trying to think....
First of all you don't need Delphi to run it, of course. Besides... it would help to know for starters what OS you are using. |
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Feb 19 2004, 04:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: 19-March 03 Member No.: 4,292 |
Here is the original code, it is in German.
Translating i would say:
I have at Athlon 1400, Windows XP Professional without SP, 1024MB-SDRAM, 160GB HDD (Samsung), GeForce2 GTS. As far as i know, i don't have Delphi installed... |
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Feb 19 2004, 05:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
the storage memory only goes to 9999. You can easily get more than that. could you add another character space in there (cos if you need 100,000 mp of storage, buy a fraggin' mainframe already!). I always try to buy 10-20 thousand MP of storage if I can afford it and get hold of it, mainly because audio/visual or heaven forbid trid recording takes up room FAST if you're running a surveillance op.
But other than that and the 'total' field, fabulous job mate, really. I have a couple of other versions of this sort of thing, where a lot of effort has gone into the appearance, but often are let down by dodgy programming (they're still pretty good though, and they do look very nice, even if they are both SR2). This one just... works. You can tell its not based on a micro$h*t product! |
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Feb 19 2004, 05:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
two more more things - could you make it so the boxes can be resized? its difficult to read some of the menus.
And how do I change the overall core rating of a smart frame? :edit: never mind. i figured that core rating part out. d'oh! |
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Feb 19 2004, 09:04 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
The storage memory thing will be easily fixed very soon.
Gorath - I have the feeling you are either trying to use a corrupted download (try to re-download) or running something other than an x86 cpu (which cannot be because of what you said). I'm running almost the same configuration, and it works. Try again, tell me how it goes. |
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Feb 19 2004, 11:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: 19-March 03 Member No.: 4,292 |
@ Venndigram:
I reloaded CCOC and now it works! Thanks for the help, will give you feedback soon... |
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Feb 20 2004, 01:03 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
CCOC v1.1 is released, fixing lots of little bugs and (hopefully) answering to most of the reqeusts posted.
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