 CCOC - a new deck-builder, All-in-one solution for Matrix players |
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 Feb 20 2004, 05:41 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 29-January 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 6,039  |
Now for my dumb question. I am able to make the deck, accessories, softwre, agents, etc and save it. But how do I view it properly. If I open up the outputed xml doc I get all the code and everything.
Am I missing something or is it just the fact that I am not an XML person making things more difficult for me? -Adam |
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Feb 20 2004, 08:07 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, i could swear that the powercord price was errataed to something a bit more sane then 150...
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Feb 20 2004, 08:59 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
WolfJack - That's a problem alright; I haven't got to work this out yet, though 2 guys from the forums have already declared intentions to write an XSLT file that combined with a CCOC XML file will produce a readable- and printable version of the data (this is where you enter history guys :) ). [Hey ! maybe it's not even "guys" !]
Hobgoblin - The Power Cord is 150 nuyen, according to the sourcebook. That's why CCOC's been made so you override the costs (just enter a new price in the edit-box). |
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Feb 20 2004, 10:34 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
maybe so venndigram but the errata is the latest version of the prices so why use the one in the book?
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Feb 21 2004, 02:37 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,652 |
WolfJack, for now you can view the saved deck by launching the CCOC program, then using the Load button to choose and view the saved deck.
I love the program Venndigram. :love: |
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Feb 21 2004, 03:08 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
...which brings us to understanding I completely forgot about the errata. There are more things to correct. Will be fixed next version. Way to go :) Corporate Raider - thanks man (or woman) :) |
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Feb 21 2004, 11:18 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
ccoc 1.11 Released
Mainly fixes from the Matrix sourcebook errata, as well as the single (!) memory-leak found in CCOC. CCOC is now released in 2 versions, each using a different XML engine - XDOM (an open-source Delphi component) or MSXML. Homepage Project homepage Download Two XML engines - the two engines fully support DOM, so they're basically the same from a programmer's point of view (except one is a COM object and the other is native Delphi code). I really can't tell which one is better right now, so I'm releasing both (MSXML is gaining the upper hand because of its built-in XSLT processor). The XDOM version can be run on any Windows system, the MSXML needs Microsoft XML Core Services (MSXML) 4.0 pre-installed to run. Regarding XSLT (and viewing CCOC's xml files in a readable format), I've made some progress (figures it ain't very complicated). You can find two new files in the source-code archive (you can download it here), tests.html and first.xslt. tests.html is where I play around to create a graphical presentation the way I want. Later I copy parts of this file into first.xslt, where, combined with some XSLT markup I create transformations. In the end, I combine one of the XML files (contained in the archive) with first.xslt in an XSLT processor to produce a readble HTML. This whole last paragraph should be understandable only to those who have some XSLT/XML knowledge (sorry). You can pick up from where I am, I'm not gonna be able to post updates in the next couple of weeks. Don't forget to email me, though :) By the way, if you really want to, you can SMS me at +972-66-359111 :) |
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Feb 22 2004, 05:37 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
it'd be handy if you added daemons and sprites to the agents/frames/IC constructs builder.
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Feb 22 2004, 05:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
nah. Just write an Otaku version with karma costs, time and target numbers instead of money! Heh. I mean, obviously Venndigram has nothing better to do... JOKE! Joke! But what I'm getting at is that the program is a component and programming cost generator. If you were going to include daemons and sprites you'd have to include their karma costs, success tests etc for it to make sense. And if you're going to do that, you may as well add in normal programming target numbers and base times and stuff as well. But that's pretty much an entirely seperate program, although obviously it would be sharing base ratings data and stuff. Its just that it seems to me - from what very, very little I understand about databases - that it would fairly double the complexity of the program which might be further than Venndigram wants to go, y'know? >snip< Mailed Venndigram instead. |
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Feb 29 2004, 12:09 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
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Mar 1 2004, 01:03 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
Not to be an ass, but doesn't this really belong on the community projects page?
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Mar 1 2004, 03:00 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Nope. This isn't a project by the community, it's a project by one person. Also, the NSRCG thread doesn't belong in the Community Projects forum for the same reason.
~J |
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Mar 1 2004, 04:37 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Eh... theyre both projects by someone *in* the community. I think that qualifies sufficiently. Note, however, that this particular program is mentioned in this thread and in this thread in the Community Projects forum.
The redundancy isnt really a terribly bad thing -- people who otherwise might not have noticed the program have access to it now. |
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Mar 1 2004, 04:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 320 Joined: 13-August 02 From: Austin, Republic of Texas (not CAS) Member No.: 3,094 |
there is some community work going on for this program in the realm or feedback, and XML/XLST displays.
-Mike R. |
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Mar 3 2004, 09:45 PM
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Not So Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 59 Joined: 17-February 04 Member No.: 6,087 |
I need some help with this program. I have created my dream deck, added all of the accessories and programs and saved it. Now what do I do with it? I don't see any way to print it out or save it in HTML. The "Transform to HTML" selection under "File" is greyed out. Am I missing something on my machine? :twirl:
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Mar 4 2004, 04:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 3-July 02 Member No.: 2,929 |
A Force 6 Turn Program To Goo spell? :D
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Mar 4 2004, 04:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
I think this option is still incomplete. Its greyed out on mine too.
you can open xml files with an html browser, but it appears with the html code as well so that's pretty useless. You could always do a print screen and dump it as an image into Word ready to print if you like, but I also have some problems with the formatting on this program so some lines of text are partially obscured or incomplete, so that isn't ideal either. |
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Mar 5 2004, 03:31 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, im testing the xdom version as i understood that i didnt need to install anything to get it to work. well i get a error message when i try to delete anything. something about a access vioaltion.
its easy to bring up, just add a deck page and then try to delete the same page... |
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Mar 14 2004, 11:59 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
Sorry it took me so long to reply -
Regarding Transform to HTML, it was intentionally grayed because I could not finish it before I went back to the army (and I still wanted to release a new version). It is now complete. Hobgoblin - I fixed this bug too, thanks for notifying me. I'll release a new CCOC on Monday, which includes an-almost-fully-operational XSLT page that supports all of CCOC. |
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Mar 15 2004, 12:33 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
You can do it in 2060, too, with enough Essence Reduction Surgical Options in the back of Man & Machine. |
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Mar 15 2004, 06:29 PM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
There seems to be a problem with deleting pages. Whenever I try it, I keep getting a bunch of "Index out of bounds" errors. Maybe this has something to do with the deleted page not being properly removed from the right window?
Also, where do you get the numbers for, for instance, different MPCP values? Icon values? Are there formulae for these things? Not a dig on you, but it kinda sucks that something as cosmetic as Icon can cost so much money. |
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Mar 15 2004, 07:10 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
the numbers are all from the book matrix. you realy should have it at hand to look up the rules for this stuff as the only thing the program does is the math involved.
allso, that error is the same as i reported (atleast i have the same symptoms). |
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Mar 15 2004, 07:11 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
The cyberdeck construction rules are in the Matrix rulebook.
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Mar 15 2004, 07:18 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 29-January 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 6,039 |
Blond, These are values from SR3 itself. Specifically Matrix has costs on building a cyberdeck from scratch. Even more specifically Matrix, Chp 6 - Cyberterminal Construction. You, as the builder, set the rating you want to have. Then you either have to buy or build/program your deck. The costs listed in CCOC, atleast as far as I know, are what you would pay when buying the parts from a deckmeister. The formulae for pricing in Matrix, pg. 67. Yes the prices are expensive. Gotta have big bucks to get the big bang. I must say Venndigram I am looking forward to the new release. -Wolf |
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Mar 16 2004, 01:06 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
ccoc 1.3 Released
Fixes all the things you were talking about, and includes the almost-complete xslt page. The MSXML version can perform XSL Transformations (namely export to html) without requiring any external software. The XDOM version, however, performs the transformations using an external program which you should acquire independantly of CCOC; Saxon and XT are good examples for Java-based XSLT processors. Future versions of CCOC-xdom will hopefully be released bundled with and XSLT processor. Download here. |
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