GERMS, Aside from VITAS and HMHVV... |
GERMS, Aside from VITAS and HMHVV... |
Feb 19 2004, 03:05 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
How many people think about illness and/or pathogens in their games? I was thinking that someone- especially someone with "Weak Immune System" or a low body rating would be affected by a lot more than just the big evil deadly diseases. So why don't shadowrunners get colds? And if they do, does anyone impose modifiers? Because really, no one's going to shoot/run/think as well if they're sick. Even mildly sick.
Just pondering. (badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger) |
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Feb 19 2004, 04:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 344 Joined: 28-July 03 Member No.: 5,133 |
I had some runners once who fell in some glacial waters Upon exiting the water, they ran around for several hours outdoors on a chilly autumn night. Needless to say, they all started taking penalties for being cold and just surly. When they made it back home, they all rolled Body and several of them got pneumonia. Already being on the run, the decker hired a buddy to cover for him and the mage pressed on, intent on finishing the run. With their decker replaced by a less skilled stand in and their mage suffering +2 to all target numbers from the illness, the run was a complete fiasco and the mage never made it out alive.
I never really decided how I felt about how I had handled that. Sunday |
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Feb 19 2004, 04:11 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 21-January 04 Member No.: 6,000 |
I'd think the vast majority of illnesses would be easily curable, with the possible exceptions of some antibiotic (or whatever) resistant bugs.
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Feb 19 2004, 04:11 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Truthfully, diease and illness has never manifested itself in games I've played in, unless it was a central element -- like ghouls or vampires.
I don't have a personal opinion one way or the other -- except to make sure you have mechanics for broad-spectrum anti-biotics and similar, run of the mill medical procedures. -Siege |
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Feb 19 2004, 04:19 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 4-February 03 From: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Member No.: 4,010 |
Relatively recently, my team went on a middling-corp extraction run. We retrieved the entire family using extreme prejudice. :evil: While we were holding them for the Johnson, they started getting real sick. A healer finally figured out that they carried some deliberately introduced pathogen that the old corp was secreting into their food supply. Talk about employee health plan!! :P |
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Feb 19 2004, 04:51 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I think about it. Something to think about next time you go sewercrawling. :vegm: ~J |
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Feb 19 2004, 04:56 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Mushroom mushroom? (Edit: added linkage) This post has been edited by Jason Farlander: Feb 19 2004, 05:21 AM |
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Feb 19 2004, 05:45 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
S'why I always go to my street doc and have him do a blood test and pump me full of antibiotics after a sewer run and every three months after a special gig. My GM gives me a curious look and I reply, "just in case". -Siege |
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Feb 19 2004, 06:18 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
So then you can grow all sorts of resistant bacteria? No thanks. Any of your stomach fauna that lives through this is going to be an uber-resistant badass of a bacteria. Hope they don't exchange genetic material with something else you come down with. Best actually check to see if you are sick first.
There was a discusison about the common cold on the old forums. I think accelerated fatigue (so you are at +1 after a while) was one of the systems for dealing with it. Also, if the run is just a few hours, you can probably live better through chemistry, at least for 2-6 hours. |
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Feb 19 2004, 07:01 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Given the kind of crap that can grow in a sewer, never mind the sewers of 2060?
Thanks, no. It's the same reason why flooding is so dangerous -- "Stagnant pond water + raw sewage does not equal Evion" (Evion being expensive bottled water). By the time you start manifesting symptoms, the bug(s) have already taken hold and your life is just gonna suck. I would imagine the counter-infection procedures for 2060 might be more advanced than today's "broad spectrum" approach, but I'd still rather opt for that rather than a "wait and see" tactic. -Siege |
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Feb 19 2004, 07:24 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Considering the amount of problems with resistant bacteria today, I would assume that the broad spectrum approach will be out. Look for careful monitoring of the immune system to check for infection first. Then followed by antibiotic usage (which may be very carefully controlled).
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Feb 19 2004, 07:44 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Just a note to say that it's Evian. It's easy to recall if you remember that it's actually naive backwards. :) |
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Feb 19 2004, 12:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
Hmmm, bugs huh? Well apart from those nasty roaches etc. I've used colds and fevers for those teams who seam to like "adventuring" in the outdoors arenas, and who aren't prepared for them.
Generally theres exposure to cold/heat, taking a dip in contaminated water and imbibing the odd substance without going through health and safety regs on the medkit. Having the odd hangover and occasional spout of diahorrea can also be fun - especially if one of the NPCs is a practical joker with a load of troll-strength laxatives. (Or a spell to such effect that gets quickened and sent via ritual sorcery. Hmmmm [vegm]) Overall I only apply a couple of TN modifiers for minor ailments to represent lack of mental clarity, hallucinations, or physical symptoms like the shakes or sneezing. I expect my players to roleplay their way through the illness too or I mark down their Karma awards. Occassionally I add damage to the condition monitor, but then thats more for serious diseases like VITAS, meta-flu, and the screaming heebies. With the amount of magical and advanced medi-tech out there in the Sixth World most ailments are short term inconveiniences rather than life threatening plagues. However, using the rules for cyber-rejection & stuff in Man & Machine (adapted for cancers etc.) and very rarely a bioweapon like Doom from Shadowtech can really make those runners sweat. |
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Feb 19 2004, 04:56 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Jacksonville, NC Member No.: 568 |
Also in sewars, you can bring in the hidden baddies like toxic fumes, diesel or other fuel floating on top of the water, stagnent air, which has interesting side effects. That is if you wanna be a real dick about it... hehe
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Feb 19 2004, 05:18 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Shadowtech sez: Antibac and zeta-interferon are your friends.
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Feb 19 2004, 10:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
Yep. |
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Feb 19 2004, 11:08 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Excellent. |
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Feb 19 2004, 11:16 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
On that note, might I recommend Scampi, as well?
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Feb 19 2004, 11:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 22-October 03 From: Marianna Member No.: 5,753 |
funny indeed. |
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Feb 19 2004, 11:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
I like.. Kenya, was it? Though there are no tigers in Africa...
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Feb 19 2004, 11:57 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Definitely the best use of
~J |
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Feb 20 2004, 05:49 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
I've seen things...I've seen them with my EYES!
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Feb 20 2004, 07:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
I've seen things, they're often in disguise!
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Feb 20 2004, 07:54 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
Like carrots, handbags, cheese.... damn forgot the rest
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Feb 20 2004, 07:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
Carrots, handbags, cheese, toilets, Russians, weddings, Kuala Lumpur...
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