Corporate Guide and three classics released!, Blood in the Boardroom, Corporate Security, and ShadowTech also out Options

[Abstruse]

So here's a question.

What are the chances that this one ever actually sees physical print? And if not, should I go ahead and grab the PDF just in case that gets yanked down too?

According to Jason, it's been sent to the printers, so (assuming the license gets renewed or they are allowed to continue to sell anything that's been printed but can't produce new material) it'll probably be ready GenCon-ish.

[MJBurrage]

As for it being sent to print, at late as mid-day today Jason Hardy changed one of the sidebars to fix an editing/layout oversight.

Although I noticed that the updated PDF still has a mistake on the Table of Contents. (errata link)

[hermit]

Funny enough, one of the early proposals for Horizon was as a keiretsu built around an Islamic bank.

Would have been a lot better than this hyper facebook google retro 2000s naive tech geek corp we ended up with that routinely 'revolutionizes' the SR world with stuff that has already been mentioned in books written in the early 90s.

Not much to say. Interesting. Elements on India and Arabic corporate cultur would probably be more useful if there actually was more than one Indian or one Arabic corporations in SR, and that those got more than passing mentions.

To their credit, there are several Arabian AA (Global Sandstorm, Ifreet ...) and they clearly state Shiawase and Hor!i!win!zon work according to inidan corporate principles for some reason (though why Shiawase would stop being japanese/asian in corp culture, being the corp that is almost as close to the Tenno as Aztech is to Aztlan, I cannot say).

Having said that, I am verymuch in favor of some book/pdf detailing the lesser corps, the AA, in SR. Grouped by region, maybe (Europe, Middle East, Latin America, North America, Asia, Central Asia, Australasia), and at least three to five each.

Ideas:
Europe: AG Chemie, Meridional, Lusiada, Sol, Spinrad, Genom, Regulus
North America: Seretech, Prometeus, Transorbital, Telestrian, Ford
Latin America: no idea, but there HAVE to be local AA, too
PPG: Eastern Tiger, FedBoeing, MIB, Pacific Cybernetics, Kwonsham
Other Asian: Russian corps, Tan Tien, HKB, Chrysler-Nissan, Sony, Baihu corp.
Middle East, other: Ifreet, Tanamyre, KITT, Vedacorp

I can imagine AGE have been downgraded at some point, though this is not very consistent with it growing thanks to the Cross takeover, and Troy Carpenter remaining in charge.

But Horizon snatched Truman Tech, downsizing them again.

[Abstruse]

As for it being sent to print, at late as mid-day today Jason Hardy changed one of the sidebars to fix an editing/layout oversight.

Although I noticed that the updated PDF still has a mistake on the Table of Contents. (errata link)

I'm just repeating what he posted on here yesterday. "Sent to the printers" doesn't have to mean it's rolling off the presses right now, but probably the layout was sent to them for final approval and a proof copy. Unless it's different in the gaming industry or with their printer, it'll probably go to the presses in a month and change (barring major problems) and ready to ship a few weeks after that. Of course, my knowledge of the production side of the print medium is at least a decade out of date and is based on small print run magazines/comics and paperback novels, so grain of salt and all that.

[Abstruse]

Ideas:
Europe: AG Chemie, Meridional, Lusiada, Sol, Spinrad, Genom, Regulus
North America: Seretech, Prometeus, Transorbital, Telestrian, Ford
Latin America: no idea, but there HAVE to be local AA, too
PPG: Eastern Tiger, FedBoeing, MIB, Pacific Cybernetics, Kwonsham
Other Asian: Russian corps, Tan Tien, HKB, Chrysler-Nissan, Sony, Baihu corp.
Middle East, other: Ifreet, Tanamyre, KITT, Vedacorp

I thought Ford got soaked up by Ares in the late 2030s or 2040s...maybe that was GM? I remember one got soaked and one's still hanging in barely. Also, isn't Transorbital part of NeoNET? I need to re-read the corp stuff I've got in my stack.

BTW, I doubt there's any AAs in South America. Aztechnology's got everything between the Colorado River and the Equator through Aztlan, and Amazonia dominates everything south of there for the most part and they're more magic and nature than they are corporate types. Maybe some of the novacoke production cartels could be big enough to be considered AAs, but I doubt it.

And isn't Sony just A-rated? They don't have extraterritoriality that I'm aware of (the dividing line between A and AA).

[kzt]

Zaibatsu, not keiretsu. The definition of a keiretsu involves mutual shareholding, with in most case a bank in a central position. All the SR megacorporations we know of have a clearly defined parent company, with the Zurich-Orbital Gemeinshaft Bank and the Pacific Rim Bank providing the financial services.

You are correct, sorry. The Zaibatsu are mostly just extra-strength keiretsu, but I did mean Zaibatsu.

[hermit]

I thought Ford got soaked up by Ares in the late 2030s or 2040s...maybe that was GM? I remember one got soaked and one's still hanging in barely. Also, isn't Transorbital part of NeoNET? I need to re-read the corp stuff I've got in my stack.

Ford is more or less hanging. GM got swallowed by Ares in the late 50s/60s. Fuchi Orbital is part of NeoNET (and Transys Neuronet); Transporbital is it's own corp as per Manhattan Book.

BTW, I doubt there's any AAs in South America. Aztechnology's got everything between the Colorado River and the Equator through Aztlan, and Amazonia dominates everything south of there for the most part and they're more magic and nature than they are corporate types. Maybe some of the novacoke production cartels could be big enough to be considered AAs, but I doubt it.

No. Check here for details. Haven't had time to read it entirely, so hence my vague post.

And isn't Sony just A-rated? They don't have extraterritoriality that I'm aware of (the dividing line between A and AA).

As per SoA, they are one of Japan's AA.

[Adam]

Were the Jackpoint login pages really all Adam?

No. I didn't even do the original design of them; Jason Vargas did, and how to make them was well-documented in both terms of past files and a template with full instructions. No idea why the book didn't have one -- I left in the middle of its production.

[Caadium]

I'm especially happy about the book pre-orders. I find PDF game materials very useful, but I've got a ton of sympathy for those who love to have a product to hold in their hands. We're taking pre-orders because the book has already been sent to the printers; I don't have a street date yet, but it should not take too long, and you will of course know it shortly after I do.

Enjoy the books!

Jason H.

It's a tough question--there's merits to waiting, merits to selling now. If people want to wait, that's fine. I hope to have street date in the near future.

Jason H.

Has there been a change in policy regarding announcing a street date? In the past, it's always been a very hard, "when the books are in and we know when, we will announce the street date." However, judging by your comments something is a bit off.

Either:

The books are in, or almost in, the US and a street date is coming soon by the old standards. However, given your comments in the other thread about AH's material being pulled prior to printing this doesn't seem likely.

or

CGL Policy has changed and you'll give a street date you can't really control.

or

Your definition of soon and my definition of "near future" are VERY different. It's been made clear that shipping to street date is easily an 8-12 week process. I don't know how long the printing process itself takes, but add that on to a base 2-3 months for just the shipping.

Seriously, what you are doing is telling people to give you their money for a product that is not even printed, and will not be available for at least 2 months (likely much more). Yet, while you do it you offer a street date in the "near future"; something that CGL policy means the books are a couple of weeks out tops. That is the type of insunuation and double-talk that pissed me off with the LE. If anyone thinks that it's a good idea to pre-order this book because it will be here soon, I suggest you go look at that thread from the day they announced the book was shipping and figure out how long it was before a street date was actually announced.

Honestly, there has been no announcement regarding the license for SR to IMR/CGL. So, either they've secured it and haven't said anything, or they haven't and are asking for your money for a book that they might never have a right to print/sell/deliver.

Jason, I know you are trying to be the upbeat guy and keep things positive. Offering things you have no intention, or ability, to produce (a street date in the "near future"), is not the way to do that in my opinion.

[JM Hardy]

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Jason, I know you are trying to be the upbeat guy and keep things positive. Offering things you have no intention, or ability, to produce (a street date in the "near future"), is not the way to do that in my opinion.

You missed one alternative--the books are being printed in the US, thus we don't have to worry about a long shipping time.

Jason H.

[Caadium]

You missed one alternative--the books are being printed in the US, thus we don't have to worry about a long shipping time.

Jason H.

That is fair. Are you saying that the books are in fact being printed domestically? Or just suggesting it as an option I over looked?

[JM Hardy]

That is fair. Are you saying that the books are in fact being printed domestically? Or just suggesting it as an option I over looked?

That's what I'm saying. They are being printed domestically. As Adam pointed out somewhere, for B/W printing, foreign and domestic are comparable prices. The foreign savings are more for color products.

Jason H.

[JongWK]

BTW, I doubt there's any AAs in South America. Aztechnology's got everything between the Colorado River and the Equator through Aztlan, and Amazonia dominates everything south of there for the most part and they're more magic and nature than they are corporate types. Maybe some of the novacoke production cartels could be big enough to be considered AAs, but I doubt it.

There's the Genesis Consortium. It's been referenced in some sourcebooks (starting in SotA64, IIRC), but the original source was SoLA's corporate overview chapter. Let me see what we can do about that draft... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Pepsi Jedi]

So when should we expect them Jason? I love my Ipad and PDFs but I 'Collect' RPGs and one Ipad on a shelf isn't quite as impressive as the real deal. At $18, it's not a cheep PDF.

[JM Hardy]

So when should we expect them Jason? I love my Ipad and PDFs but I 'Collect' RPGs and one Ipad on a shelf isn't quite as impressive as the real deal. At $18, it's not a cheep PDF.

When I have a street date, I'll let you know. Management gets mad at me if I offer estimates before then.

Jason H.

[RunnerPaul]

No. I didn't even do the original design of them; Jason Vargas did, and how to make them was well-documented in both terms of past files and a template with full instructions. No idea why the book didn't have one -- I left in the middle of its production.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but your layout duties were performed on a freelance basis, were they not?

[Adam]

From a legal perspective I was a contractor, but I was a full-time staff member.

[Pepsi Jedi]

Eh.. went ahead and grabbed it. Just in case something happens and sales hault. I'd hate to miss out on this thing by a few days or weeks.

[Caadium]

That's what I'm saying. They are being printed domestically. As Adam pointed out somewhere, for B/W printing, foreign and domestic are comparable prices. The foreign savings are more for color products.

Jason H.

That is fair enough then. Sorry I didn't think of that option.

[Deadmannumberone]

That is fair enough then. Sorry I didn't think of that option.

My thought was that there was no way they'd have given a "Soon™" date if there was a chance it would have had customs/shipping issues, thus it had to be a domestic/NAFTA printer.

[Larsine]

What does a psionic mean? I never heard that term used in Shadowrun before, but I am pretty new. Does that mean she is a mage with detect thoughts?

For SR4 psionics are mentioned on page 45 of Street Magic, and the full rules are on page 4-5 of Digital Grimoire.

Lars

[Stahlseele]

That's what I'm saying. They are being printed domestically. As Adam pointed out somewhere, for B/W printing, foreign and domestic are comparable prices. The foreign savings are more for color products.

Jason H.

Does this mean the pdf is in colour but the hardcopy will be in black and white?

[Samoth]

'Did we REALLY need another corp sourcebook?

[Lansdren]

Does this mean the pdf is in colour but the hardcopy will be in black and white?

good question

[Ryu]

Corp Download is a bit dated by now, so yeah, definitly.