Corporate Guide and three classics released!, Blood in the Boardroom, Corporate Security, and ShadowTech also out Options

[Cardul]

Does this mean the pdf is in colour but the hardcopy will be in black and white?

I think what he means is: If it was colour, it would be cheaper to get printed overseas,
while, because it is in black and white, it is, while not cheaper(same approximate price),
the turn around is faster for it to be printed in the U.S.

[JM Hardy]

Does this mean the pdf is in colour but the hardcopy will be in black and white?

The PDF isn't in color, as the Aztechnology sample shows. The cover is in color, and will remain so; the interior is black and white in both PDF and print formats.

Jason H.

[Stahlseele]

Ah, okay, thank you for clearing that up

[darthmord]

The last Kenson book of the Roc cycle (Time in Flames?) had GW the spirit form (in the end; Talon escapes ansd stirs up Shedum and soemthing else that looks like a pale Dunkelzahn). Dragons (of ED) details how dragons routinely become a purely astral form while transforming (hatchling -> wyvern; wyvern -> lesser; lesser -> great), hidden in a cocoon. The part about Luung was either in ED'S Dragons or DotSW, I don't precisely remember.

Also, the Immortal Elves can transfer their entire form onto the Planes too - planeswalking metamagic, which was a high-circle metamagic in ED, if I remember correctly. So, it is very possible that Dunkie, eventually, gets rid of Burnout's body and returns. As something else, maybe. My money still is on a Nidorcyl-like monster.

It was not elves specifically. It was a high circle power that Nethermancers could perform.

Also, I agree that D could potentially come back. It would be highly cheesy though, IMO.

BTW, what exactly is a Nidorcyl?

[Stahlseele]

Wasn't the Burnout/Billy/Lethe/Dunkelzahn Cyberzombie killed somehow in the Crash 2.0?

[Abstruse]

Wasn't the Burnout/Billy/Lethe/Dunkelzahn Cyberzombie killed somehow in the Crash 2.0?

Either Rob or Adam dropped a bus on them. It's not in any books, but the chances of it coming back is next to nothing. I'd expect Shadowrun D20 before Lethe coming back.

[Prime Mover]

BTW, what exactly is a Nidorcyl?

A three headed dragon from Earthdawn with the a Dragon head, horror head and the head of a passion.

[Stahlseele]

Either Rob or Adam dropped a bus on them. It's not in any books, but the chances of it coming back is next to nothing. I'd expect Shadowrun D20 before Lethe coming back.

Hey, Shadowrun 5D20 has been mentioned Years ago allready . .

@Prime:
Would you not do that please? <.<

[hermit]

It was not elves specifically. It was a high circle power that Nethermancers could perform.

Bad wording on my part. Of course this wasn't elf specific. It's just in SR only known to IE (and, if you are German and chose to keep that in your personal canon, ID).

BTW, what exactly is a Nidorcyl?

A batshit crazy dragon passion horror spawn found in The Theran Empire, the ED book of crazy stuff, in the Vasgothia chapter.

[Prime Mover]

Hey, Shadowrun 5D20 has been mentioned Years ago allready . .

@Prime:
Would you not do that please? <.<

If you mean the giant space after my post, fixed it. Had a weird glitch, had to unplug keyboard from laptop before I could edit.

[Stahlseele]

Yes, that's what i meant.
Thank you for fixing that.

[fastdos]

I haven't read the individual corporation entries yet, but I find the argument that Horizon is "too nice" unconvincing. When you've got ten AAAs, having all ten of them be pure evil would be boring and unrealistic. In the real world, some corporations are less evil than others, some national governments are less evil than others. And adventures that force good organizations to make hard ethical decisions can be very compelling.

And even with a nice Horizon, there's no shortage of villains in the 6th World.

Horizon can best be described as insidious. Think Fox News.

[hermit]

Horizon can best be described as insidious. Think Fox News.

Actually, canonically they are the angelic brother of google. Like google wants to be. Sad state of things, but that's what they wrote. Apparently this is supposed to change, what with Zincan maybe being an invention and boo-scary mindmelter Zabotnikists, but ... well, for the time being, that's what we gotta work with unless we want to house rule.

[Bull]

'Did we REALLY need another corp sourcebook?

Yes.

1) It updates the old Corp books by adding in several new corps, and updates the older corps with current affairs.

2) Not everyone has access to older books. Even with them being halfway cheap on eBay, I know plenty of gamers who either will assume they're not compatible because they're older editions, or don't know about the older books because they're new to the edition.

THere are a few supplementary sourcebooks you kind of need to do for every edition of the game. A corporate book is one of those.

Bull

[hermit]

A society and entertainment book *should* have been to, so I am very much looking forward to Attitude, hoping that this will not end up a Horizon fanwank fest again.

[sabs]

A society and entertainment book *should* have been to, so I am very much looking forward to Attitude, hoping that this will not end up a Horizon fanwank fest again.

I want to see more info on blood games, and their broadcasting.

The equivalent of Running Man, and Death Ball.
Also, things like Gamer. You allow players to 'jump in' someone with skillwires and a rigger control rig. It's like playing Halo3, but where the targets are real, with real weapons. And you broadcast it where it's legal. And you make a fortune selling it on the black market where it's Illegal.

[hermit]

Blood Sports need some elaboration, yes. Also, other fun to be had with the new technology. There were some pretty evil ideas in one of FanPro's last German books.

[otakusensei]

Sangre y Acero from Arsenal sounded really interesting. There has to be some story there.

[Ancient History]

Sangre y Acero from Arsenal sounded really interesting. There has to be some story there.

Oh, there is.

[Nath]

In Corporate Download, Ares had five big subsidiaries - KE, Ares Arms, Ares Space, Ares Global Entertainment and General Motors, who were "at the top", with regional divisions only coming "in addition" to those. What is described as Ares previous organization in Corporate Guide suggests Ares Global Entertainment was a lot less powerful, answering to Ares Europe (while having most of its assets in North America). I can imagine AGE have been downgraded at some point, though this is not very consistent with it growing thanks to the Cross takeover, and Troy Carpenter remaining in charge.

But Horizon snatched Truman Tech, downsizing them again.

The problem is, this takeover is breaking news, only reported by a jackpointer in the Horizon chapter. When Ares chapter is posted online, Truman Distribution Network is still listed as an Ares subsidiary, and Ares Global Entertainment already is a second-level division, and seemingly have been for some time.

[Dr.Rockso]

Blood Sports need some elaboration, yes. Also, other fun to be had with the new technology. There were some pretty evil ideas in one of FanPro's last German books.

Ooooh, do share.

[Nath]

AZTECHNOLOGY
- Esprit (Miltech/Armament) is listed as a notable subsidiary of Aztechnology. I know at least one French line developper that will be surprised with this news. On the other hand, it is said a few pages later Aztechnology subsidiary Dassault actually competes with Esprit.

- Carrefour get mentionned three times as having large presence on three different continents, but this is not enough to be considered as a notable subsidiary or brand. Lider does not appear in the list, but they're only present in most of Europe.

- It is clearly stated most Aztechnology subsidiaries do not advertise their link to the megacorporation, and thus cannot benefit from the extraterritorial privilege. However, quite a few of Aztechnology subsidiaries are said to be AA in their own right.This should imply those subsidiaries, Natural Vat Technologies, Dassault, Free Transit Cartage, must be quite big, maybe well diversified, and owns their own web of subsidiaries.

- So ORO had anual revenues exceeding several European GNP by 2008, thanks to molybdenum deposits and cocaine trade. I couldn't help to think : "Right, Cyprus and Albanian GNP, put together. And so ? Im not even counting Andorra in the list !"

- Oliver McClure allegedly owes his stock and board seat to the great dragon Dunkelzahn. It worth noting that Dunkelzahn himself made the allegation, writing in his will "To Oliver McClure of Quebéc City, I leave my voting stock in Aztechnology and the board seat to which that entitles you." The short bio makes no mention of him being "a well-established and respected civic leader" in Québec, as he was described in Corporate Download.

- There's one anonymous posting on page 70.

- Some news on Congo : there's a Shedim invasion and the Kobikela, whoever they are, are trying to unite Congo.

[sabs]

Carrefour is /today/ The largest Retail store chain in the world.
They make Walmart look like hackneyed local wannabes.

Esprit and Dassault both owned by Aztechnology? REALLY? That just seems weird. But then there's a serious American bias in the books (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I would actually expect SK to own Dassault or Esprit, or possibly Both. Or One of those to be a AA corp.

Heck, I could see Carrefour AA corp, owning Dassault.

[Nath]

Dassault have been an Aztechnology subsidiary at least since Corporate Download. Esprit Industries was a AA according to Shadows of Europe. Saeder-Krupp is or was a shareholder of Esprit, but not with enough shares to actually fully control it and turn it into a subsidiary.

[Nath]

EVO

- "minor shareholders" are listed as "major shareholders". A classic (I did it more than once in working drafts).

- The description of people that are not CEO, Chairman of the Board or shareholders is a nice addition featured in several chapters. But Julia Sanchez ? There's not even some comment to assert she's meeting runners on Buttercup's behalf. As far as the book goes, she is just what it says : a secretary.

- "Evo is currently in the process of exploiting the remains of the Middle East’s oil and natural gas supplies." A one-liner with no other explanation, and so Saeder-Krupp lost the Middle East to Evo. Smiling Bandit is seemingly not aware of this when he post on the same topic on page 152.

- "Tsuruga International deals exclusively in concrete, plascrete and ferrocrete road construction." Tsuruga previously was an international shipping company, according to Corporate Download and Blood in the Boardroom.

- Yamatetsu Naval Technologies is the last holdout of the hardliner japanese. This is sure a big failure for Shibanokuji and Buttercup management, since YNT was formed in the early 2060ies, and was first headed by a former Russian military advisor.

- Page 80, Evo succeded in the takeover of ATRP in Cheyenne, Sioux Nation. Page 88, ATRP is based in Baltimore, UCAS.

- There are some info on Mars base.

Another complication arose in 2064, when Shibanokuji revealed that he was suffering from Methuselah’s Syndrome, a genetic condition common in goblinized orks, and was aging at an accelerated pace.

Common enough to lower orks average life expectancy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I guess. But no matter how shocking this could be, I fail to see how this could distract the media from the announcement that Yamatetsu would join the Pacific Prosperity Group, since Yamatetsu did so on July 8, 2059, according to Blood in the Boardroom (page 72). Then, if Yamatetsu really joined in 2064, the membership would not come in hands for Yamatetsu to take over other PPG corp "years later," "in the wake of" a Crash that occurred in November of 2064 (as reminded... a dozen lines below, in the following paragraph).