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Elfenlied
post Jun 7 2010, 06:43 AM
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With my current character, a Mage with a Magic attribute of 8 and Summoning/Binding 5, binding spirits with invoke has been a bit of a gamble. While I've bound a F6 Air Spirit in Great Form, any subsequent attempts have usually ended with me eating 16+ points of drain, which, needless to say, renders the whole ability kinda useless.

So, how can I make this more reliable? I've got no Foci thus far, but my lifestyle incorporates an aspected domain. Summoning/Binding are also unspecced; the spirits available to me are Guardian/Air/Man/Guidance/Task, and the tradition is Materialisation based, with Wil+Cha as Drain attributes. What specialization do you guys recommend?
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post Jun 8 2010, 05:08 AM
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Great Task spirits have Endowment.

Here's a link to a thread with some ideas about the Endowment power.

Highlights from the thread include things like giving yourself the Materialization power, never glitching again for 500 bucks and a point of karma, enhanced senses like Low-Light or Thermal for the same, counterspelling for yourself and force other members of your party at the level of the force of the spirit you invoked, and for Mystic Adepts, a force 1 spirit can give you Astral Form so you don't have to worry about not having access to the astral like a full magician.

Also, on the handling the drain front, you can always summon/bind one or two Spirits of Man with the appropriate Increase Attribute innate spells. Just have them cast and sustain them while you do your summoning/binding. You should also do the Invoking/binding during downtime so you can recover from your wounds, or do it in a sterilized med facility with someone or something with extremely high first aid skill and a med kit (this can include a Task spirit) to heal away the damage. If you are overcasting and afraid of instant-gibbing yourself due to drain, you might also want to use the Shapechange spell to take the form of something with more body. All those hits divided by 2 turn into extra damage boxes.
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post Jun 11 2010, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (dirkformica @ Jun 7 2010, 09:08 PM) *
If you are overcasting and afraid of instant-gibbing yourself due to drain, you might also want to use the Shapechange spell to take the form of something with more body. All those hits divided by 2 turn into extra damage boxes.

Or cast Shapechange multiple times, following this list, to get up to a Body of 12 (plus extra damage boxes from extra hits): http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...st&p=940920
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post Jun 11 2010, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE (Banaticus @ Jun 11 2010, 11:29 AM) *
Or cast Shapechange multiple times, following this list, to get up to a Body of 12 (plus extra damage boxes from extra hits): http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...st&p=940920

I would not allow this as GM, nor I think would many others.
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post Jun 12 2010, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE (Tyro @ Jun 11 2010, 11:37 AM) *
I would not allow this as GM, nor I think would many others.


Well, it is mechanically not very smart... for each spell, I would enforce that you would have to maintain it to keep the baseline body rating to qualify fo rhte next spell... so after 2 spells, you have lost 4 Dice, and then it is -6, -8, -10, etc. By the time that you have actually climbed that ladder, you have so many dice penalties that you are pretty ineffective. I mean really, -12 to any action (Sustaining 6 Spells) is just brutal. Good luck doing anything... You could, of course, sustain them with Foci, but that route leads to addiction...

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post Jun 12 2010, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 12 2010, 12:17 PM) *
Well, it is mechanically not very smart... for each spell, I would enforce that you would have to maintain it to keep the baseline body rating to qualify fo rhte next spell... so after 2 spells, you have lost 4 Dice, and then it is -6, -8, -10, etc. By the time that you have actually climbed that ladder, you have so many dice penalties that you are pretty ineffective. I mean really, -12 to any action (Sustaining 6 Spells) is just brutal. Good luck doing anything... You could, of course, sustain them with Foci, but that route leads to addiction...

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You could also have spirits sustain them.
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- Elfenlied   Making the most out of Invoking/Binding   Jun 7 2010, 06:43 AM
- - Whipstitch   Well, for one thing, quit trying to summon at F6+....   Jun 7 2010, 06:57 AM
- - Makki   there's nothing safer than knowing there's...   Jun 7 2010, 07:15 AM
- - Elfenlied   Well, our games tend to be pretty high-powered and...   Jun 8 2010, 12:23 AM
- - Whipstitch   Force 3 isn't as bad of a deal as you might th...   Jun 8 2010, 01:21 AM
- - Elfenlied   Ok, Guidance spirits seem to be a prime candidate ...   Jun 8 2010, 02:02 AM
- - Whipstitch   The thing about Storm is that it has a truly massi...   Jun 8 2010, 02:28 AM
- - dirkformica   Great Task spirits have Endowment. Here's a l...   Jun 8 2010, 05:08 AM
|- - Banaticus   QUOTE (dirkformica @ Jun 7 2010, 09:08 PM...   Jun 11 2010, 06:29 PM
|- - Tyro   QUOTE (Banaticus @ Jun 11 2010, 11:29 AM)...   Jun 11 2010, 06:37 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Tyro @ Jun 11 2010, 11:37 AM) I wo...   Jun 12 2010, 07:17 PM
|- - Tyro   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 12 2010, 12...   Jun 12 2010, 10:27 PM
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- - Thanee   Just use Edge. 16 DV Drain should be no problem to...   Jun 8 2010, 07:51 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Thanee @ Jun 8 2010, 01:51 AM) Jus...   Jun 9 2010, 02:50 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 8 2010, 10...   Jun 9 2010, 03:52 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jun 8 2010, 08...   Jun 10 2010, 12:37 AM
- - Whipstitch   What kills me about it is that people don't se...   Jun 10 2010, 12:44 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Jun 9 2010, 05:44 PM)...   Jun 10 2010, 12:45 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Jun 9 2010, 07:44 PM)...   Jun 10 2010, 06:39 AM
- - Whipstitch   Yeah, I mean, I don't forbid it at my table or...   Jun 10 2010, 12:48 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Jun 9 2010, 05:48 PM)...   Jun 10 2010, 01:03 AM
- - Whipstitch   In a way the randomness is the saving grace and th...   Jun 10 2010, 01:05 AM
- - Elfenlied   Well, First Aid kits don't work vs Drain on ou...   Jun 10 2010, 06:17 AM
- - Makki   depending on tradition the mage might see drain fr...   Jun 10 2010, 06:25 AM
- - Whipstitch   Agreed. That's why I tend to summon my heavy h...   Jun 10 2010, 08:02 AM
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|- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (Tyro @ Jun 10 2010, 06:34 PM) The ...   Jun 13 2010, 06:44 PM
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