 Your thoughts on SURGE, Hate it? Love it? |
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 Feb 26 2004, 12:29 AM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712  |
Curious how many people think this is a good Shadowrun element or not...
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Feb 26 2004, 12:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 596 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,112 |
Don't have either of the 'Comet' books, but I do like pancakes. :lick:
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Feb 26 2004, 12:38 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,311 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 2,062 |
Good idea, but I don't think I like it in Shadowrun. The temptation to Anime is far to great. |
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Feb 26 2004, 01:14 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I have to agree. I don't feel that SURGE is a useful addition to Shadowrun.
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Feb 26 2004, 01:58 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
It is a useful addition, but I only use it sparingly in keeping with the game flavour.
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Feb 26 2004, 02:16 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Apparently, people like pancakes.
I continue to stand in defense of about 2/3 of SURGE. It actually makes more sense than goblinization and UGE being all or nothing deals. |
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Feb 26 2004, 03:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 24-January 04 Member No.: 6,013 |
SURGE 4 LIFE!! WOOOO!!!!!
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Feb 26 2004, 03:31 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,458 Joined: 22-March 03 From: I am a figment of my own imagination. Member No.: 4,302 |
SURGE for me is another way to add character to a character... I tend to theme out the characters, give them distinctive looks... as is the case with Angel, my rave going pacafist Gecko shaman...
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Feb 26 2004, 03:51 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
SURGE=shiny. As long as you've got a GM willing to say that just because you can make it in the rules it doesn't necessarily exist, it just adds possibilities.
~J |
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Feb 26 2004, 04:12 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
So, um, SURGE gave her a bad dye job and a tattoo? |
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Feb 26 2004, 04:17 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 662 |
I don't mind it on principle...as long as my Shadowrun game doesn't turn into X-Men.
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Feb 26 2004, 05:22 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Whilst it's not to my personal taste, I think used sparingly and with a little common sense from players and GM it just about ekes its way up bearable.
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Feb 26 2004, 07:01 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
I think i t adds a nice element to the game as long as it is not over used. But then i was a fan of the Exotics from CP2020.
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Feb 26 2004, 03:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 17-June 02 From: Concord University, Athens, WV Member No.: 2,880 |
I like it, used sparingly. We've only had three characters (PC and NPC together) who have been SURGEd, and with the number of NPCs that can appear in my games, that's a pretty low number.
PCs: Ceres, cat-girl and Dax, fox. NPCs: Voodoo, a sort of half-vampire. |
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Feb 26 2004, 03:20 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
What kills me is the references in the various YoTC articles to SURGE powers that are not listed, such as the extra finger joints or perfect pitch.
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Feb 26 2004, 03:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
Is that to give people ideas for creating their own powers? |
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Feb 26 2004, 07:53 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
I like SURGE. It adds more options and is a terrific plot hook.
Besides, I think that there might be more to SURGE than what we know of... |
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Feb 27 2004, 03:11 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
Today at work I saw a copy of some new Thundercats comic book. All of the female cat-women have been redrawn to be incredibly good looking. Even the little girl thundercat has grown up and developed quite nicely. The comic was pretty focused on T&A (and so was I); scantily-clad chick thundercats get a lot more page space than the male ones.
So now I think that adding 36DD cat women to anything is a fine idea. |
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Feb 27 2004, 03:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 3-July 02 Member No.: 2,929 |
Never had or saw a character with SURGE traits, and so far haven't used it in any of my games.
Zazen: Remind me to never let you play in any of my games. Though if you ever run one.... ;) |
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Feb 27 2004, 12:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 614 Joined: 17-June 03 From: A safehouse about to be compromised by ninjas Member No.: 4,754 |
I think its a good addition, despite the fact that many people wont use it. Making use of it isnt always the point. Sometimes when playing SR, its easy to forget it *is* the 6th world afterall. Stuff is a bit crazy. Its very easy to fall into the movie mentality where everything is slick and stylish, sometimes you gotta do something whacky just cause you can. So since every so often someone will make use of it, and bring a little 6th world into the game, I like. But Im not sure Id want another 3 sourcebooks on the subject =)
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Feb 27 2004, 02:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 546 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Manchester, England Member No.: 1,062 |
At first I thought it was a bit lame, but could be alright if implemented properly. Then I thought it could be quite cool for making some totally unique characters. Now I just think it's lame, because guess what? Looking like a complete freak does not a unique character make.
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Feb 27 2004, 02:49 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
funny that you should talk about thundercats zazen :) i have been looking for old episodes online lately.
hmm, i discoverd that in many ways the cheetalady was hot in there own right alltho classic 80's lady. a lady that looks good but can at the same time pack a punch. basicly a real tomboy. but haveing the girl look older, man its time someone beat the artits over the head with a cluebat or something! this is turning into a witchblade comic :( |
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Feb 28 2004, 01:17 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
Oh, Japan, Why? DAMN YOU JAPAN! Anyways, I use SURGE actually quite a bit. But since people already dress like freaks (one of the primary characters is a raver), not a lot of it gets noticed. Like Monkey(aforementioned character) got cat eyes. He showed it to their fixer and she was just like "you got that bioware?" |
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Feb 28 2004, 02:08 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 17-May 02 From: A Secret Location in Dimension X. Member No.: 2,751 |
I play up that not every surge effect makes the character look cool or gives a neat power. A fair number are crippling and or disfiguring.
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Feb 28 2004, 07:08 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 97 Joined: 17-March 03 Member No.: 4,269 |
I don't oppose a lot of the SURGE elements, it's just that I think that they should also have tech equivelents. Basically half the "kewl" SURGE traits should also be able to be done using Cultured Bioware, since a lot of the SURGE traits are taken primarily for image (ie, cat ears, fur, tails, etc etc).
I agree with Reighnhell that a lot of SURGE should probably be crippling if not lethal (ie... how well could an ill or elderly person survive a shock to their system like surge? Chronic Ostreowhateveritiscalled should probably end up killing the characters very soon if not immediately (unchecked bone growth can have a nasty habit of puncturing organs) ). Just like mutations, a good deal of SURGEings should have just killed the people out right, it would have added to the creepy factor. Dead bodies of people turning into monsters (partial or full staging of surge) begin turning up... could lead to scary campaign if let lose on unsuspecting players |
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