 Head shrinking for fun and profit, or how much for the therapist? |
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  Feb 26 2004, 03:56 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Near Norwich, GB Member No.: 1,659  |
The girlfriend of one of my players characters was rescued from the Arcology and is understandably not the most mentally stable of people-
Now the charcater, being the kind hearted troll that he is, wants to get girlfriend back on her mental feet and has therefore located out a trusted (hah!) shrink. The only problem is how much is this guy going to charge? Any ideas or inspiration? And preferably it will need to be tied to the doc's therapy skill. Thoughts and ideas welcome |
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Feb 26 2004, 04:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
Renraku would probably pay for it and lots extra just to cover up what happened. (A renraku shrink so it's all in house.)It would probably include a lot of cyber stuff for therapy and less talking to a shrink.
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Feb 26 2004, 07:51 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
My Elf has a day job as a shrink. Runs his own business. He specializes in treating people who pay cash because they don't want their medical treatment to show up on employment records. He'll treat her for 120 :nuyen: per hour, with hourly sessions once or twice a week depending upon how much help she needs. He has Psychology 6 and a great bedside manner, but since he's not a Psychiatrist he can't prescribe medications. If she needs medications she'll need a Psychiatrist or Physician to prescribe them.
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Feb 26 2004, 07:56 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Or a fixer contact...
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Feb 26 2004, 08:47 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Yeah I also think Renraku would take care of it. If she was a legit person within the Arc, it's covered. If she wasn't supposed to be there (in the sense she was shadowrunning, not that she was shopping and thus isn't a resident), well that might be a little different.
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Feb 26 2004, 08:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 27-January 03 From: Kentucky, USA Member No.: 3,958 |
He's a Shadowrunner. Would you trust the corp shrink with your girlfriend's head?
"Why no, honey, nothing's wrong. I just think it would be best for us if you took that job for what they're offering. After all, Renraku are our friends..." |
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Feb 26 2004, 08:49 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
A lot of people would -- of course, shadowrunners are hardly the most sane or trusting people to begin with.
-Siege |
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Feb 26 2004, 08:54 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
Our team doesn't use the Extended Actions optional rule for Karma Pool use (SR3.246). If we did, she could get better a lot more quickly with my Elf than with a boring corporate shrink.
That's assuming my Elf would use Karma Pool to cut down on his income... ;) |
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Feb 26 2004, 08:59 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
You know, the corps do not systematically screw everyone that deals with them.
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Feb 26 2004, 09:39 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
True, but I liken that comparison to government conspiracy theorists -- the Federal Government doesn't actively conspire against it's citizens on a daily basis. And I certainly don't think it's a mission statement of the entire Federal system, although there are certainly people who believe otherwise. And if I was actively working against the Federal Government, I'd probably be less inclined to use the resources of my enemy on the off-chance they actually know who I am and haven't decided to squash me yet. -Siege |
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Feb 27 2004, 06:33 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Assuming that therapists have high lifestyles, work 40 hours a week (and 50 weeks a year), that they are taxed at 33% and have to spend half their income on things like rent, receptionist, maintaining the license to practice etc (but these can be written off as business expenses, so they are not taxed)...
high lifestyle cost / year : 120,000 hours / year = 40 * 50 = 2000 work hours every year 1000 hours spent covering business expenses. 667 hours (333 lost to taxes) spent earning money for self. 120000/667 = ~180 :nuyen: an hour... at a bare minimum. Figure therapy would be aroudn twice a month for 4-8 hours a day (we'll guess 6) and you are looking at 2160 :nuyen: every month (an even 3000 is probably a better number), plus the cost of any medication (maybe another 500). |
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Feb 27 2004, 07:17 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,401 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
Also depends on how insurance, if any exists in the Shadowrun setting, (seemed to be referred to in SSG but didn't give too much info), you might be able to reduce costs like in real life.
Looking at my real life medical insurance plan, I could goto a shrink for your standard in-office psychotherapy session 24 times per year, with 90% coverage. My therapist (Hey, normal people can goto a shrink too, heh) charges about 150 an hour. I know real life dollar values don't translate directly to Nuyen, but yeah the 180 or so :nuyen: per hour sounds about right. |
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Feb 27 2004, 10:04 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Near Norwich, GB Member No.: 1,659 |
Thanks for the feedback people - the price's suggested give me an excellent starting point - I might even knock up a few rough rules but more than likely will just play it by ear :D
Just to confirm there is no way in heck that either the character or his lady want anything to do with a Renraku shrink as there's more than a little bad blood between them and the corp. |
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Feb 27 2004, 10:07 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Which is really bad when the lady gets subjected to experimental deep hypnosis command implants...
-Siege |
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Feb 27 2004, 07:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
:D But ... a good shrink puts himself out of business. |
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Feb 27 2004, 08:08 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
He's not a good shrink. It's a day job.
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Feb 27 2004, 09:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
AHA! Wait, wait, don't psychologist's have to take the Hippocratic Oath, though? Or is that only for mds? |
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Feb 27 2004, 09:19 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
They may have to, but nothing ensures they will follow it.
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Feb 27 2004, 10:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
b.. b.. b... but *not* follow an oath!?? Talk about treachery! Next thing you know, employeers will be decieving and screwing over their charges! It's inconcievable! |
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Feb 27 2004, 10:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 320 Joined: 13-August 02 From: Austin, Republic of Texas (not CAS) Member No.: 3,094 |
and psychotherapists do not take the hippocratic oath. many MDs don't either.
-Mike R. |
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Feb 28 2004, 01:02 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
He'll be more than happy to swear any oath you like. No problem :smokin: for him. He gives a discount to pretty, young, female patients who need an older gentleman to help set them on the right path to happiness and bliss. It sounds like the Renraku girl is exactly the kind of confused, mixed up patient that he seeks. |
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Feb 28 2004, 01:05 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
Hmm.
Doesn't M and M have the rates, related to that memory altering thingamajigger? |
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Feb 28 2004, 01:29 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
CC, I think (in the Simsense section).
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Feb 28 2004, 05:20 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
It is indeed Canon Companion that has the PAB's. Combine with virtual/Matrix conditioning, mindprobe, various illusions and dream alterations and chuck in a pillowcase full of drugs and you've got the recipe for a world class headfuck. Manchurian candiddate anyone?
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Feb 28 2004, 04:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
Psychotherapists don't need to take any oath or have any training at anything at all. You can decide tomorrow that you're a psychotherapist, rent an office, and start taking patients.
Have fun finding one for your girlfriend that isn't a total quack. :) |
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