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 Jul 6 2010, 12:41 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 560 Joined: 4-March 06 From: Pueblo Corporate Council Member No.: 8,332  |
Stupid question, I'm sure, but I can not find the page. How long does an unbound spirit stay around, if you don't use up its services?
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Jul 6 2010, 12:45 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 30-May 09 From: Germany Member No.: 17,225 |
Normaly until dawn or dusk. But maybe other traditions (with some houseruling) could differ. But normaly you can only have a spirit for a night or the day.
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Jul 6 2010, 01:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 560 Joined: 4-March 06 From: Pueblo Corporate Council Member No.: 8,332 |
I thought that's what it was, but then I started to wonder if it had switched to 12 hours. Thanks!
Anyone have a page reference for this? |
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Jul 6 2010, 01:26 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Jul 5 2010, 09:16 PM)  I thought that's what it was, but then I started to wonder if it had switched to 12 hours. Thanks! It's not "12 hours" but it probably should be. Summoning a spirit at 5pm just sucks (dusk at 5:20! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ). |
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Jul 6 2010, 01:47 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 30-May 09 From: Germany Member No.: 17,225 |
Oh, come on... what is the "mystical, magical" explanation for 12 hours? It's fine the way it is. Technomancer (GRRR oh, how i HATE them) at least have cold logical timer as their limit. But only 8 hours. So be grateful for your day/night of services *g*
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Jul 6 2010, 01:57 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Sometimes they can go all night, if the spirit is willing.
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Jul 6 2010, 02:00 AM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Jul 6 2010, 02:47 AM) Oh, come on... what is the "mystical, magical" explanation for 12 hours? It's fine the way it is. Technomancer (GRRR oh, how i HATE them) at least have cold logical timer as their limit. But only 8 hours. So be grateful for your day/night of services *g* But they only bind for 256 days not a year and a day... |
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Jul 6 2010, 02:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 492 Joined: 28-July 09 Member No.: 17,440 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 6 2010, 02:57 AM) Sometimes they can go all night, if the spirit is willing. I just had that "drum and cymbals sound effect when Leno makes a joke" go off in my head to that. |
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Jul 6 2010, 02:12 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 5 2010, 07:57 PM) Sometimes they can go all night, if the spirit is willing. Ohhhhh, that was horrid indeed! Pitiful Yerameyahu!!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) Keep the Faith |
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Jul 6 2010, 02:15 AM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 6 2010, 02:57 AM) fixed it for you. Added a link to http://instantrimshot.com/ |
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Jul 6 2010, 03:56 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Jul 5 2010, 07:16 PM) I thought that's what it was, but then I started to wonder if it had switched to 12 hours. Thanks! Anyone have a page reference for this? p. 186 SR4A "A spirit will perform the services it owes until the next sunrise or sunset. At that time, regardless of any remaining services or what it was doing, the spirit will depart and return to its home deep in astral space." |
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Jul 6 2010, 04:16 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jul 6 2010, 08:56 AM) p. 186 SR4A "A spirit will perform the services it owes until the next sunrise or sunset. At that time, regardless of any remaining services or what it was doing, the spirit will depart and return to its home deep in astral space." Which, Ironically, answers the question of whether Spirits are sentient creatures with a will of their own and a "Home" that they consider theirs; rather than the "Thought Constructs" which are used and abused because they are not really real, and have no will or personality... Looks like a lot of the Traditions are completely wrong in their views of Spirits after all... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) Keep the Faith |
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Jul 6 2010, 04:19 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
That or, as mentioned before, the fanboys-turned-freelancers of this edition decided to force their view of things into the rules. (That's the actual reason, by the way.)
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Jul 6 2010, 05:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 633 Joined: 16-March 05 From: 51° 16' North 7° 11' East Member No.: 7,168 |
If a mage summons a spirit standing at the North Pole, will the spirit stay for half a year? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jul 6 2010, 05:24 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
Could well.
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Jul 6 2010, 06:36 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jul 6 2010, 09:19 AM) That or, as mentioned before, the fanboys-turned-freelancers of this edition decided to force their view of things into the rules. (That's the actual reason, by the way.) Regardless of how it got there, it is RAW... I know that not everyone will agree with it, but the argument of whether it is RAW or not is irrelevant at that point... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) Keep the Faith |
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Jul 6 2010, 06:51 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
QUOTE (Doc Byte @ Jul 6 2010, 01:23 PM) If a mage summons a spirit standing at the North Pole, will the spirit stay for half a year? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) well, no. but it would stay until sunrise or sunset... it's just that sunrise/sunset isn't literally half a year, even on the north pole. it *does* get significantly longer at some point (provided you summon during the longer portion of the day) but for most of the year, there actually is *some* day/night cycle. even if the day (or night) is only half an hour long, that would still be enough to reset the spirit's services. |
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Jul 6 2010, 07:13 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Jaid @ Jul 6 2010, 02:51 PM) well, no. but it would stay until sunrise or sunset... it's just that sunrise/sunset isn't literally half a year, even on the north pole. it *does* get significantly longer at some point (provided you summon during the longer portion of the day) but for most of the year, there actually is *some* day/night cycle. even if the day (or night) is only half an hour long, that would still be enough to reset the spirit's services. Ahem. QUOTE (Wikipedia: Arctic Circle) The Arctic Circle marks the southern extremity of the polar day (24-hour sunlit day, often referred to as the "midnight sun") and polar night (24-hour sunless night). North of the Arctic Circle, the sun is above the horizon for 24 continuous hours at least once per year and below the horizon for 24 continuous hours at least once per year. On the Arctic Circle those events occur, in principle, exactly once per year, at the June and December solstices, respectively. QUOTE (Wikipedia: North Pole: Day and Night) At the North Pole, the sun is permanently above the horizon during the summer months and permanently below the horizon during the winter months. Sunrise is just before the vernal equinox (around March 19); the sun then takes three months to reach its highest point of about 23½° elevation at the summer solstice (around June 21), after which time it begins to sink, reaching sunset just after the autumnal equinox (around September 24). When the sun is visible in the polar sky, it appears to move in a clockwise circle above the horizon. This circle gradually rises from near the horizon just after the vernal equinox to its maximum elevation (in degrees) above the horizon at summer solstice and then sinks back toward the horizon before sinking below it at the autumnal equinox.
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Jul 6 2010, 07:20 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
There is still a daily high point and a low point, right?
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Jul 6 2010, 07:24 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 6 2010, 03:20 PM) There is still a daily high point and a low point, right? No. The sun only "gets higher" until mid-June. It does, however, move in a circle around you (and always in the south, mind!). |
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Jul 6 2010, 07:26 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Wacky. Well, GMT. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jul 6 2010, 07:29 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
QUOTE North of the Arctic Circle, the sun is above the horizon for 24 continuous hours at least once per year and below the horizon for 24 continuous hours at least once per year. On the Arctic Circle those events occur, in principle, exactly once per year, at the June and December solstices, respectively. Emphasis mine. So one day a year you might get away with making the argument if you're there during the solstices. |
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Jul 6 2010, 07:32 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
hmmm... fair enough. i suppose as long as you stay directly on the pole (or reasonably close to it) you're good to go. have fun with the aleuts.
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Jul 6 2010, 07:34 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jul 6 2010, 12:29 PM) Emphasis mine. So one day a year you might get away with making the argument if you're there during the solstices. Looks like you missed the next section on being AT the NORTH POLE, and not at the Arctic Circle... 6 months of sun, then 6 months of Darkness... Me personally, I think that would suck myself, but that is just me... Besides, I would just regulate spirit duration by the Body's Circadian Rythm at that point (even if it does get a bit wacked out at that point)... lose the spirit when you go to sleep... Keep the Faith |
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Jul 6 2010, 07:38 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jul 6 2010, 11:29 AM) Emphasis mine. So one day a year you might get away with making the argument if you're there during the solstices. Which might just be why ancient cultures used those days for important rituals (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif) |
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