Paralysis and Matrix Use? Options

[Eugene]

Let's say we've got someone doped up on gamma-scopolamine. And this person has an internal commlink. Can they call for help?

[Belvidere]

Let's say we've got someone doped up on gamma-scopolamine. And this person has an internal commlink. Can they call for help?

It's just paralysis, right? If so, yes. As long as they can think, they should be able to.

[Dumori]

Are they unconscious if not yes. Its a DNI on a none motor level I'd say yes. Though this is a quick eyebally guess. Seeing as I dont have time to read up on paralysing agents and how they work ect.

And by RAW its a yes usless using a DNI'd com is a physical action.

[Wasabi]

Its not RAW but I'd run it as "if the cyberware is headware, yes, otherwise its DNI has a traffic jam."
(So only if its from the neck, up...)

[Lanlaorn]

Hell we have paralyzed people moving mouse cursors with wires implanted in their brains today.

As a related question, do you think you could move a cyberlimb while paralyzed? I don't really see why not, personally. If you had arms, legs and torso would you simply be unaffected by the paralysis drug? Maybe a visibility penalty as your neck stops holding your head upright, heh.

[Yerameyahu]

Cyberlimbs use the normal nerves, AFAIK. Gamma, for example, is a nerve paralyzer, right?

[Faraday]

Cyberlimbs use the normal nerves, AFAIK. Gamma, for example, is a nerve paralyzer, right?

Considering cyberlimbs are modular, the nerves are either very truncated, or wires are directly wired to the brain. Regardless, you can use limbs via DNI using a commlink directly interacting with said limbs. You could even skinlink it and make the system unhackable/unjammable. With a full body replacement (torso/head/limbs], you'd have facial and torso paralysis, but no problems with limbs. With cybereyes, you wouldn't even have problems with your vision, although there might be problems with your neck. You'd have to use an arm to keep your head upright and moving. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Yerameyahu]

It's not clear that you can control a cyberlimb via wires, wireless, skinlink, etc. In any case, I meant the nerves from the brain, to the spine, then to the limb.

[KCKitsune]

Actually Cyberlimbs connect via fiber optic cables to a "Control Center" in the brain. That is the fluff justification of cyberware suites. The fiddle with the control center and can add more stuff to it. That way you don't have to cut out more of the brain.

[Udoshi]

For body-internal stuff, is there any real reason it wouldn't be skinlinked?

I mean, really, the technology is so prevalent it costs less than a meal and you can pick up an adapter accessory at any place that sells hardware doohickeys.

For the price tag associated with cyberware, i'd say its a reasonable assumption there aren't any fiber-cables inside someone for the ware to talk with.

[Wasabi]

Skinlink is not one of the listed DNI methods. (Nanotrodes, Trode Net, Data Jack)

[KCKitsune]

Skinlink is not one of the listed DNI methods. (Nanotrodes, Trode Net, Data Jack)

Yes, but you can skinlink the datajack too. This gives a direct connection between the datajack and the cyberlimb(s) in question.

[Wasabi]

Since skinlink is not listed as capable of DNI if you connect a cyberlimb to its datajack by skinlink you'd lose DNI functionality to your cyberlimb until you turned on its wireless.

[hobgoblin]

skinlink basically replaces wireless or wired connections, nothing more, nothing less.

[Makki]

can you walk while paralyzed using skill wires?

[Wasabi]

skinlink basically replaces wireless or wired connections, nothing more, nothing less.

Using a DNI allows a device to be used as a free action.
("Direct Neural Interface", Unwired p58)

By default using an item is either a simple or complex action.
("Use Simple Device", SR4A p149)

Skinlink allows something to be controlled but not at the speed of thought. Its only a replacement where rudimentary control is needed. (turning a jammer on or off, answering a commcall, etc., and other actions not needing to be done instantly.)

[Dahrken]

If I'm not mistaken skillwires is mostly an intra-brain system, so if the disjonction is between the muscle and the skillwire (say spinal cord broken, toxins acting on the nerve/muscle interface etc...) the neural impulses created by the skillwire suffer the same problem as "natural" signals, they cannot reach the muscles they are supposed to trigger.

So I'd say that in most cases, no, you cannot.

[Wasabi]

When the skillwires are telling the muscles how to do something the muscles need to be listening...

[MortVent]

Using a DNI allows a device to be used as a free action.
("Direct Neural Interface", Unwired p58)

By default using an item is either a simple or complex action.
("Use Simple Device", SR4A p149)

Skinlink allows something to be controlled but not at the speed of thought. Its only a replacement where rudimentary control is needed. (turning a jammer on or off, answering a commcall, etc., and other actions not needing to be done instantly.)

Umm wrong. A skinlink connection from a trode headband to a skinllinked commlink is the same as a wired/wireless connection allowing full DNI interaction.. else it would be pure AR only activity in the matrix vs hot sim

[Yerameyahu]

That's not the point, though. There's never been a clear ruling that you can control limbs that way. You don't, for example, need trodes to move your limbs normally, and you can't hack someone's limbs to control their movements, VR or not.

[Ascalaphus]

Let's say we've got someone doped up on gamma-scopolamine. And this person has an internal commlink. Can they call for help?

There's fluff to say that they can. Trance (Arsenal p. 77) is a drug that causes paralysis but gives a bonus to Logic-linked skills. It's said to be popular with wizards and hackers because they don't require excessive movement.

[Lanlaorn]

Oh, nice catch. Hell with Levitate and a Sustaining Focus a Mage might not even care he's paralyzed, although the only magic logic-linked skill is Arcana so "meh" I suppose? Although you could just sit there writing a formula with Magic Fingers or electronically with your comlink.