 Nartaki and Shiva Arms Metagenetic Quality, Is it legal? |
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 Jul 6 2010, 06:01 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 21-March 10 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 18,325  |
Just because my mind is twisted... is it possible (in theory) for a Nartaki metavariant to take the Shiva Arms Quality for a total of 6 arms? If so, is it also possible for them to take the Quality twice (as listed in the Quality description) for a total of eight arms?
Honestly, can't think of why I'd ever make a character like this, but as the Bank Robber said, "I gots to know." |
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Jul 6 2010, 06:11 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Gamer6432 @ Jul 6 2010, 09:01 AM)  Just because my mind is twisted... is it possible (in theory) for a Nartaki metavariant to take the Shiva Arms Quality for a total of 6 arms? If so, is it also possible for them to take the Quality twice (as listed in the Quality description) for a total of eight arms? Honestly, can't think of why I'd ever make a character like this, but as the Bank Robber said, "I gots to know." You can take it once more for 6 arms, then you have it twice so you cant take it anymore. |
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Jul 6 2010, 12:57 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Good ol' Germany Member No.: 7,015 |
Well, I tend to disagree
a Nartaki ist not a Surgeling so, If he Would Surge ,he could get Shiwa Arms twice (for a Maximum of 8 Arms). This(8 Arm Thing) might be RAW but it shurely Ain't my Cup of Tea He who Dances like Shiva Medicineman |
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Jul 6 2010, 01:04 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Medicineman @ Jul 6 2010, 03:57 PM) Well, Itend to disagree a Nartaki ist not a Surgeling so, If he Would Surge ,he could get Shiwa Arms twice (for a Maximum of 8 Arms). This(8 Arm Thing) might be RAW but it shurely Ain't my Cup of Tea He who Dances like Shiva Medicineman do you also allow those meta variant who have metagenic improment take it a second time if the take Surge. I beliave that the quality limits are on place no matter how you aquire the qualities. |
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Jul 6 2010, 01:04 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Like you said, more than 2 arms is worthless, so do whatever you want. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jul 6 2010, 01:11 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Good ol' Germany Member No.: 7,015 |
QUOTE (Mäx @ Jul 6 2010, 09:04 AM) do you also allow those meta variant who have metagenic improment take it a second time if the take Surge. I beliave that the quality limits are on place no matter how you aquire the qualities. If It comes from different Sources ,yes (a surged Formori Troll might get his Metagenetic Improvement twice ) .as they add up together (its called Synergy Effect IIRC) except where the Rules say differently (and more than 4 Arms are really not worth Playing .Even 4 Arms are only OK if you Min/Max) with a Synergy Dance Medicineman |
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Jul 6 2010, 01:15 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
That opens up a big can of worms for min/maxing excercises O.o
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Jul 6 2010, 01:29 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Good ol' Germany Member No.: 7,015 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jul 6 2010, 09:15 AM) That opens up a big can of worms for min/maxing excercises O.o Nahh,I don't think so.After a while They'll realise too that 4 Arms is effectively the best (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) with the best Dances Medicineman |
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Jul 6 2010, 01:34 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
No, i meant the two times metagenetic improvement ^^
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Jul 6 2010, 01:37 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Good ol' Germany Member No.: 7,015 |
Yeah OK, that might really be a Can of Worms.
Here http://www.your3dsource.com/images/newspapergif.gif this is for all GMs in distress from Munchkinny Players trying to bring you a Can of Worms he who dances with 4 rolled up Newspapers Medicineman |
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Jul 6 2010, 03:32 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
Actually the last sentence on shiva arms entry is "This quality may be taken twice for up to six arms" so even if your GM lets you take it twice as a Nartaki you will still only have six arms as thats the maximum.
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Jul 6 2010, 03:45 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 29-May 10 Member No.: 18,639 |
I always figured Metavariants were described as "premade" SURGE characters and their unique traits were already designated as the same SURGE qualities Changlings use. After the description of them it say right in their text "Shiva Arms" which pretty much means they come with one rank standard, and by the Shiva Arms text itself, means it can only be bought one more time by a Nartaki.
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Jul 6 2010, 04:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Good ol' Germany Member No.: 7,015 |
QUOTE (Mäx @ Jul 6 2010, 10:32 AM) Actually the last sentence on shiva arms entry is "This quality may be taken twice for up to six arms" so even if your GM lets you take it twice as a Nartaki you will still only have six arms as thats the maximum. If you start with only two Arms. (its simple math (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) But there is no real need for a debate. I wouldn't allow it in my Groups, even If It would be RAW and you don't allow it because you perceive it as wrong.So it's the same result Hough! Medicineman |
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Jul 6 2010, 04:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 21-March 10 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 18,325 |
QUOTE (Medicineman @ Jul 6 2010, 05:57 AM) Well, I tend to disagree a Nartaki ist not a Surgeling so, If he Would Surge ,he could get Shiwa Arms twice (for a Maximum of 8 Arms). This(8 Arm Thing) might be RAW but it shurely Ain't my Cup of Tea He who Dances like Shiva Medicineman From Runner's Companion QUOTE (pg. 110) Metagenetic qualities are special Positive and Negative qualities that can only be taken by characters with the appropriate genetic background. Only characters that have bought a metavariant metatype (pp. 70–72) or the changeling quality (p. 73) may choose qualities from this section. And like I said, I'd never really do this (except maybe during a really over the top pink mohawk campaign). Just a thought that tickled me. |
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Jul 6 2010, 05:32 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 29-May 10 Member No.: 18,639 |
Like I said, Nartaki additional arms ARE Shiva Arms. They aren't their own thing. And anyone that thinks otherwise is just allowing minor leeway in interpretation to be used to their own advantages. Of course, people here tend to do that alot.
Edit: A little addendum. If it sounds like cheese, it probably is cheese. There is a definite lack of concrete rulings in many areas of SR, but the "rules" are still just guidelines. The only opinion that really matters on if it will be allowed or not is your GM... Although at least to me, the intent of Metavariants is plainly obvious to me. |
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Jul 6 2010, 05:49 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
I agree that you can't have more than the normal caps of any Metagenic Qualities. They're the same source, and this isn't vehicle or weapon mods. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jul 10 2010, 11:04 AM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
QUOTE (Gamer6432 @ Jul 6 2010, 08:01 AM) Just because my mind is twisted... is it possible (in theory) for a Nartaki metavariant to take the Shiva Arms Quality for a total of 6 arms? If so, is it also possible for them to take the Quality twice (as listed in the Quality description) for a total of eight arms? Honestly, can't think of why I'd ever make a character like this, but as the Bank Robber said, "I gots to know." PM Medicine Man about this. He has a character template. Also, be wary, these concepts are not always received very well. |
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Jul 10 2010, 11:54 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Good ol' Germany Member No.: 7,015 |
My char "One Man Army" is simply a surged elf with shiva arms and striking skin colors (Gold) thats all.Just a "Nartakielf" nothing really spectacular .
hough! Medicineman |
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Jul 10 2010, 12:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 633 Joined: 16-March 05 From: 51° 16' North 7° 11' East Member No.: 7,168 |
QUOTE (Medicineman @ Jul 6 2010, 03:29 PM) Nahh,I don't think so.After a while They'll realise too that 4 Arms is effectively the best (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Except you're playing a six-armed Giant, maybe. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lick.gif) QUOTE (Medicineman @ Jul 10 2010, 01:54 PM) My char "One Man Army" is simply a surged elf with shiva arms and striking skin colors (Gold) thats all.Just a "Nartakielf" nothing really spectacular . I keep on calling him "man of many arms". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Jul 10 2010, 12:12 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Good ol' Germany Member No.: 7,015 |
Good for scaring the Sh** out of the "Small People" but not poolwise
(Pool of 12Dice /6 Arms = Pool of 2Dice per Arm... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) I keep on calling him "man of many arms". Go ahead as long as you don't call him OMA (Grandma in English) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) and to be honest.....He has many Arms (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) He who dances like Shiva Medicineman |
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Jul 10 2010, 04:06 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872 |
6 arms= more arms to cyber and give you armor.. You'd need delta, but you'd be a tank.
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Jul 10 2010, 04:46 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
Armor don't do nothin' against the good ol' stunbolt.
A full body replacement is IMHO a niche product. Going Shiva arms or Binky even more so. |
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Jul 10 2010, 04:48 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Still working on the logic of how having 6 arms makes you tougher and more armored… oh SR, you so crazy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jul 10 2010, 04:52 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Jul 10 2010, 10:46 AM) Armor don't do nothin' against the good ol' stunbolt. A full body replacement is IMHO a niche product. Going Shiva arms or Binky even more so. Indeed... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) Keep the Faith |
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Jul 10 2010, 05:01 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Jul 10 2010, 12:46 PM) Armor don't do nothin' against the good ol' stunbolt. A full body replacement is IMHO a niche product. Going Shiva arms or Binky even more so. What did I forget to mention I was a famori with astral hazing. |
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