 Tattoos as Foci, Yay or Nay |
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 Jul 16 2010, 11:51 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 6-March 10 Member No.: 18,253  |
What say you?
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Jul 16 2010, 11:52 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (chinagreenelvis @ Jul 16 2010, 05:51 PM)  What say you? I see no actual issues with it personally; And, in fact, I rather like the idea... |
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Jul 16 2010, 11:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 492 Joined: 28-July 09 Member No.: 17,440 |
Pretty sure its in the RAW already.
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Jul 16 2010, 11:59 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Steal it from SR3. Make sure it's Fair and Balanced™.
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Jul 17 2010, 12:00 AM
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While I like the idea from a fluff point, I have two points of concern with it.
1) Isn't a tatto like a no-essence-loss implant ? As in, it becomes part of your own body and isnt a seperate item that can be enchanted ? 2) It might become a nuicance ever time you take some physical damage. "Ok, I got slashed up badly by that sword strike. Now, did that hit a tatto-free part of my skin or is my focus damaged ?" Probably a minor concern as this might be solved with a simple Edge test. |
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Jul 17 2010, 12:07 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 492 Joined: 28-July 09 Member No.: 17,440 |
Honestly, I've always thought the implanted Foci idea was overrated. It's still vulnerable from the astral, and if it's inside or a part of you then it makes attacking it, or maybe just grabbing it and trying to leave, a painful experience.
So yeah, no essence loss but YOU can now be attacked from the astral whenever it's active. Sounds like a fair trade-off. |
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Jul 17 2010, 12:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 6-March 10 Member No.: 18,253 |
I'm figuring two health foci (full arm sleeve tats) at force 4 and one illusion foci (chest and back tat) at force 5. All runes.
The two health tats primarily for sustaining increase and increase reflexes, the illusion foci for sustaining physical mask. |
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Jul 17 2010, 12:45 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Oh, that's what you mean. As long as you pay the same price and they follow all the same rules for foci. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jul 17 2010, 01:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 21-June 10 Member No.: 18,737 |
Attacking a foci from the Astral just deactivates it. It doesn't damage you and they certainly can't "grab it and run off". Implanted foci just seem smart to me, enchanted cyberware, just enchant a bonescrew or surgical staple if you don't want to lose essence, tattoos and earrings for more superficial ones.
These are very expensive, in both nuyen and karma, why would you ever make them something that can be taken from you easily? |
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Jul 17 2010, 01:09 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Honestly, if anyone's in a position to take away even my surface possessions, something has already gone horribly wrong. I'd have to be just as helpless as removing implants would require. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jul 17 2010, 01:13 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
It's the same problem as with built in guns.
"DROP IT!" does not work . . so what happens if you don't listen to the nice angry voice telling you to do that? The owner drops you, for good usually. Skin-Poket for a Focus is a good idea though. Also, you're going to make every ward-owner pretty angry pretty fast, if you walk around town. |
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Jul 17 2010, 01:19 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 21-June 10 Member No.: 18,737 |
You don't tell a Mage to drop anything, you need to knock him out and keep him that way or put magecuffs on him. Plus if your foci weren't on at the time of capture there's no way to ever know they were there. Only active foci have an astral presence.
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Jul 17 2010, 01:23 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
I think it's hilarious that they have on/off switches. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jul 17 2010, 02:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 825 Joined: 21-October 08 Member No.: 16,538 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jul 17 2010, 01:13 AM) It's the same problem as with built in guns. "DROP IT!" does not work . . so what happens if you don't listen to the nice angry voice telling you to do that? The owner drops you, for good usually. Skin-Poket for a Focus is a good idea though. Also, you're going to make every ward-owner pretty angry pretty fast, if you walk around town. Heh. The skin pocket is actually a really good idea. It'd be an utter bastard to notice - I'd probably give a few extra points on the threshold to detect it. And the idea of the astral being filled with the sound of breaking wards from the bull in the chinashop player is most entertaining. |
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Jul 17 2010, 02:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 21-June 10 Member No.: 18,737 |
Why would you break more wards with implanted foci as opposed to carried foci?
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Jul 17 2010, 02:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 6-March 10 Member No.: 18,253 |
QUOTE (Lanlaorn @ Jul 17 2010, 03:08 AM) Why would you break more wards with implanted foci as opposed to carried foci? You wouldn't. I think he's just saying in general. I'd only activate mine if I were about to get into a fight, or if I was somewhere where I knew the magical security was nil or shit. |
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Jul 17 2010, 06:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
I believe this was a meta-magic in third edition. Has it made its way into 4th yet I don't think so but see no reason why itshould not. I personally like it and can see the Yakuza just goingnuts with it.
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Jul 17 2010, 06:52 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 2-September 05 From: Canada Member No.: 7,672 |
Huh.
Why did I never think of this before? Geebuz, I've been playing SR since 1st edition and I honestly never thought of Foci tattoos. I do vaguely remember reading about the metamagic tatoos in 3rd, but wow... K, this is SOOO going on the Chaos Mage I've been cooking up! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Jul 17 2010, 07:37 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 10-December 08 From: Brasil Member No.: 16,674 |
So lets say I have a tattooed power focus 5... what are the chances that someone will make a human skin lampshade out of me?
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Jul 17 2010, 07:39 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Stormdrake @ Jul 17 2010, 08:11 AM) I believe this was a meta-magic in third edition. Has it made its way into 4th yet I don't think so but see no reason why itshould not. I personally like it and can see the Yakuza just goingnuts with it. Those are for anchoring spells, not foci's and are mentioned in the description of anchoring metamagic. Tattoos as foci sound like a pretty cool idea just like the various implanted jewerly does. |
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Jul 17 2010, 08:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 21-June 10 Member No.: 18,737 |
QUOTE (bernardo @ Jul 17 2010, 03:37 AM) So lets say I have a tattooed power focus 5... what are the chances that someone will make a human skin lampshade out of me? Well it's only 50,000 nuyen, so I'd say about the same chances that someone is murdered for their expensive cyberware. The real pain of power foci is the 8x force karma cost, and the new owner would still need to pay that to bind it. |
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Jul 17 2010, 10:51 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Biggest problem with skin-foci?
Don't you even dare THINK about upgrading them . . And do you remember what happens, if the physical component of a focus is damaged? The focus is destroyed. Now you have such a nice tattoo on the equally nice leg of your equally nice female magician . . and you need to shave your legs to look all sexy. You cut yourself. Congradulations, there goes your focus! And don't even get me started on Bullets and knives (and Cannons too) going your way in a regular fashion. |
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Jul 17 2010, 12:31 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Lanlaorn @ Jul 17 2010, 11:20 AM) Well it's only 50,000 nuyen HUH? Power focus is 25k (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) per point of force |
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Jul 17 2010, 12:51 PM
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ork adept with "HATE" and "LOVE" (or WAR PIG) tattooed on his knuckles as unarmed weapon focus, anyone?
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Jul 17 2010, 12:59 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Ragman @ Jul 17 2010, 03:51 PM) ork adept with "HATE" and "LOVE" (or WAR PIG) tattooed on his knuckles as unarmed weapon focus, anyone? Nah an troll adept with "PITY" and "FOOL" and a mohawk. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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