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 Viewing Deactivated Foci from Astral Space, Do they still stuck out like a sore thumb? |
 Jul 17 2010, 07:21 PM
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I know that an activated focus is pretty obvious when viewed from astral space. What about a deactivated focus? Are they still obviously foci to people who are assensing them?
Also, if an activated focus is in a cyberware smuggling compartment or a skin pocket, what penalty (if any) would you apply to an observer who assenses the player to see the focus? |
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Jul 17 2010, 11:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 298 Joined: 15-March 09 Member No.: 16,974 |
QUOTE (czarcasm @ Jul 17 2010, 01:21 PM)  I know that an activated focus is pretty obvious when viewed from astral space. What about a deactivated focus? Are they still obviously foci to people who are assensing them? One hit on an Assensing test will tell you if it is a focus or not, two will tell you what kind of focus, three will give a comparison to your magic attribute, and four will tell you exactly what force it is. QUOTE (czarcasm @ Jul 17 2010, 01:21 PM) Also, if an activated focus is in a cyberware smuggling compartment or a skin pocket, what penalty (if any) would you apply to an observer who assenses the player to see the focus? The astral form of the person would be brighter than normal, but without an assensing test, the reason would be unknown. |
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Jul 17 2010, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE (Deadmannumberone @ Jul 17 2010, 04:11 PM) The astral form of the person would be brighter than normal, but without an assensing test, the reason would be unknown. I doubt even that much. If the focus is stored out of sight, then it would be no more visible then looking at it thought a wall. |
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Jul 18 2010, 12:02 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
What, like when using Palming? This isn't a wholly cut-and-dried question. Are foci visible through clothing? Does a cyberlimb or skin pocket act like clothing, or a wall? Can you astrally hide a focus in an armpit or 'body cavity'?
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Jul 18 2010, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 17 2010, 05:02 PM) What, like when using Palming? This isn't a wholly cut-and-dried question. Are foci visible through clothing? Does a cyberlimb or skin pocket act like clothing, or a wall? Can you astrally hide a focus in an armpit or 'body cavity'? If the focus is inactive, then I would say 'yes'. |
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Jul 18 2010, 12:05 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
No, all questions were regarding active ones, per previous poster.
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Jul 18 2010, 12:07 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 21-June 10 Member No.: 18,737 |
It wouldn't have an astral form when deactivated, you'd need to "astrally observe in detail" aka assense it to tell it's enchanted.
pg 199 SR4a, QUOTE When activated, foci have an astral form Implying that a deactivated foci has no astral form. So no need to worry about that at all. Regarding active foci, clothing shouldn't be enough since clothing doesn't stop you from seeing (and targeting) a person. Otherwise someone in full body armor would be immune to mana spells? |
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Jul 18 2010, 12:09 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Right.
So, are those things like clothing, or are they like walls? I say neither: they're part of a person, so they're just astral form. You can hide things behind an astral form, but only because the one 'in front' distracts you. |
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Jul 18 2010, 12:39 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 17 2010, 06:05 PM) No, all questions were regarding active ones, per previous poster. Actually... If you look at the original Post... He states the obvious about ACTIVE Foci... The Immediate Question Following concerns an Inactive Focus. Just thought that I would point that out... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) Answer: Inactive Foci do not have an Astral Form, so they do not register as Foci when assensed... That is how I would do it anyway. |
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Jul 18 2010, 12:54 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
If you look at other posts, you'll see that I was responding to something else. Thankyouverymuch. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Jul 18 2010, 01:00 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
Ruling that inactives stand out on the astral just means that a guy's got to waste time and energy making little FAB-II pouches. It's a minor annoyance at most.
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Jul 18 2010, 01:01 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 17 2010, 06:54 PM) If you look at other posts, you'll see that I was responding to something else. Thankyouverymuch. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Heheheh.... Yeah, Well, Point taken... Not so touchy there Yerameyahu... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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Jul 18 2010, 01:37 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 31-May 09 From: London, UK Member No.: 17,229 |
QUOTE (Lanlaorn @ Jul 18 2010, 02:07 AM) Regarding active foci, clothing shouldn't be enough since clothing doesn't stop you from seeing (and targeting) a person. Otherwise someone in full body armor would be immune to mana spells? I am not sure this is relevant: the rules for targetting through a millspec armor are the same whether using astral perception or not. I think it has more to do with the clothes being part of oneself (which also conveniently implies that a mage projects with his clothes). Anyway, clothes ARE opaque in the astral. I don't want to deal with pervert projecting mages lurking outside highschools (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohplease.gif) |
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Jul 18 2010, 01:43 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Well, there's opaque and then there's opaque. Clothing, including all armor, does not block your aura. As we all know. So it's not like a wall, which is aura-opaque.
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Jul 18 2010, 01:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 21-June 10 Member No.: 18,737 |
You'd be better off oggling a barbie or ken doll for your pornography, too. Astral forms have"little detail". There's a reason you take a -2 modifier to any physical action you try.
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Jul 18 2010, 02:08 AM
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QUOTE (Lanlaorn @ Jul 17 2010, 06:48 PM) You'd be better off oggling a barbie or ken doll for your pornography, too. Astral forms have"little detail". There's a reason you take a -2 modifier to any physical action you try. I thought the -2 was due to difficulties in concentrating on using your astral sight and trying to do something at the sametime? |
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Jul 18 2010, 02:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 21-June 10 Member No.: 18,737 |
I doubt it's concentration since you can still cast spells with no penalty. The examples in the book are shooting a gun and driving a car, for what that's worth.
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Jul 18 2010, 02:24 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,444 Joined: 18-April 08 Member No.: 15,912 |
QUOTE (Lanlaorn @ Jul 17 2010, 07:37 PM) I doubt it's concentration since you can still cast spells with no penalty. The examples in the book are shooting a gun and driving a car, for what that's worth. You may well be right, but that is how I had always thought about it. To me it seemed like trying to multitask. A good way to find out. Do ghouls suffer the -2 or not? edit: whoops, forgot, innately dual natured creatures don't have that penalty. |
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Jul 18 2010, 02:26 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Jul 18 2010, 07:24 AM) You may well be right, but that is how I had always thought about it. To me it seemed like trying to multitask. A good way to find out. Do ghouls suffer the -2 or not? They Do Not... No inherently Dual Natured Being suffers the penalty... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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Jul 18 2010, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 18 2010, 07:26 AM) They Do Not... No inherently Dual Natured Being suffers the penalty... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) Ya I just remembered that part. |
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Jul 18 2010, 02:50 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Jul 18 2010, 07:35 AM) Ya I just remembered that part. Null Perspiration Omae... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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