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chinagreenelvis
post Jul 19 2010, 03:52 AM
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For some reason I thought spirits had damage tracks, but it seems like attacking a spirit only reduces the amount of favors owed. But what about attacking a free spirit? How do you know when it's had enough?
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post Jul 19 2010, 03:55 AM
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QUOTE (chinagreenelvis @ Jul 18 2010, 10:52 PM) *
For some reason I thought spirits had damage tracks, but it seems like attacking a spirit only reduces the amount of favors owed. But what about attacking a free spirit? How do you know when it's had enough?


Spirits do have damage tracks, if either stun or physical is filled they are disrupted.

You're probably looking at banishing which is terrible.
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post Jul 19 2010, 04:02 AM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 19 2010, 03:55 AM) *
Spirits do have damage tracks, if either stun or physical is filled they are disrupted.

You're probably looking at banishing which is terrible.


So spirits have both physical and stun damage tracks in both the material world and in astral space?

What about sprites?
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post Jul 19 2010, 04:44 AM
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QUOTE (chinagreenelvis @ Jul 18 2010, 11:02 PM) *
So spirits have both physical and stun damage tracks in both the material world and in astral space?


Yes.

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What about sprites?


Matrix Condition Monitor.
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post Jul 19 2010, 05:36 AM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 19 2010, 04:44 AM) *
Yes.



Matrix Condition Monitor.



Ah, yes - so does Pilot replace System in that regard? For determining the length of damage tracks?
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post Jul 19 2010, 05:37 AM
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Yes, Pilot *is* System. It's actually kind of a pain, because you can't upgrade System without upgrading the whole Pilot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) Pricier. I'd rather house-rule that Pilot is a special program that also runs, and then you could upgrade System as you pleased. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 19 2010, 05:38 AM
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Also, what happens to a spirit in both the material world and in astral space when the stun damage track is filled, and what happens to an astral projector?
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post Jul 19 2010, 07:17 AM
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They. Go to their metaplane if they are like free spirits. It used to be a mystery. If they are like free spirits: if their damage overflow is greater than thier will(I think) they lose a point of force.
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post Jul 19 2010, 04:03 PM
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What I really mean to ask is what happens as far as gameplay is concerned. When a player's stun track is filled in meatspace, he falls unconscious and can no longer act. I'm curious as to whether or not this happens when a player is in the astral, and whether or not spirits are removed from the action when stun damage fills.
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post Jul 19 2010, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE (chinagreenelvis @ Jul 19 2010, 07:03 PM) *
What I really mean to ask is what happens as far as gameplay is concerned. When a player's stun track is filled in meatspace, he falls unconscious and can no longer act. I'm curious as to whether or not this happens when a player is in the astral, and whether or not spirits are removed from the action when stun damage fills.

WHen spirits damage track fills up they're distrupted and go back to their metaplane.
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post Jul 19 2010, 04:52 PM
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So then I assume that it's possible to do physical damage to a materialized spirit, and if that track fills up then the spirit is destroyed?

And what about magicians in the astral, what happens when their stun track fills?
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post Jul 19 2010, 05:08 PM
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They pass out.
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post Jul 19 2010, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE (chinagreenelvis @ Jul 19 2010, 11:52 AM) *
So then I assume that it's possible to do physical damage to a materialized spirit, and if that track fills up then the spirit is destroyed?


Their material form is destroyed and the spirit is sent back to the astral.
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post Jul 19 2010, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 19 2010, 05:08 PM) *
They pass out.


What happens to their astral form? Does it dissipate and return to the body somehow? Is it estranged in limbo?

As for spirits, it sounds like the spirit goes bye-bye if either damage track fills. Correct?
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post Jul 19 2010, 08:35 PM
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I assume the astral form evaporates, but I dunno, now that you ask. :/
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post Jul 19 2010, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (chinagreenelvis @ Jul 19 2010, 03:27 PM) *
What happens to their astral form? Does it dissipate and return to the body somehow? Is it estranged in limbo?


The mage falls unconscious and is no longer projecting.
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post Jul 19 2010, 09:10 PM
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Here's a related question that I was grappling with as a GM the other night:

Do spirits with damage suffer wound modifiers to their rolls?

Case in point my PCs were beating up on a spirit and one of them Attack of Willed it for 9P damage (good job, DocChase!) I couldn't decide whether the spirit got a -3 on its roll or not. I couldn't find anything confirming or denying the position as I flipped through the books, so I figured I'd toss it to you all, who are probably better rules lawyers than I am.
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post Jul 19 2010, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (Abschalten @ Jul 19 2010, 04:10 PM) *
Do spirits with damage suffer wound modifiers to their rolls?


Yes.
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post Jul 19 2010, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 19 2010, 04:11 PM) *
Yes.


Got any page references? I'm not doubting you, I'd just like to see it for myself on paper.
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post Jul 19 2010, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE ("SR4 p153-4)
As a character records damage on his Condition Monitor,
he suffers certain effects that simulate the effects of real-life
injuries. For every 3 boxes of cumulative damage taken on a
Condition Monitor track, the character suffers a –1 wound modifier.
These wound modifiers are cumulative, so a character who
has taken 6 boxes of Physical and 3 boxes of Stun suffers a total –3
wound modifier.


Note how it says "a character" and "a Condition Monitor."

Condition monitors are:
Physical
Stun
Matrix

(Astral uses the P and S tracks).

Nothing about spirits says that they are exempt from this rule.
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post Jul 19 2010, 09:24 PM
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Eh, I suppose I could take that. I just wish it had been more explicit in the spirit section that, yes, they do take wound mods when they are damaged.
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post Jul 19 2010, 10:28 PM
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Why wouldnt they take wound mods?

Unless otherwise noted, everything follows base rules.
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