Creating background count, or killing big spirits as a mundane/low magic users Options

[Neonsamurai]

Wasn't there a spell which created background count?
I am just wondering how a streetsam can kill a 7+ spiri without using an assault cannon?

Is there a possibility for his magic 4 shamanfriend to create a background count 4 so the sam can shoot the now force 3+ spirit ?

[MortVent]

mana static in street magic

[Laodicea]

mana static in street magic

other methods: Geomancy metamagic, and Arcane Arrester. Those things are boring, though. If you want to create a huge background count in an area, a deathcamp could go a long way toward this goal.

[Mäx]

If you want to create a huge background count in an area, a deathcamp could go a long way toward this goal.

Might be little hard to cook up one of those in a middle of combat with the spirit in question (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[toturi]

other methods: Geomancy metamagic, and Arcane Arrester.

WTF? How is Arcane Arrester going to create a BC? And Geomancy doesn't create BC where there was none, it just Aspects the BC.

[Laodicea]

WTF? How is Arcane Arrester going to create a BC? And Geomancy doesn't create BC where there was none, it just Aspects the BC.

I had a brain hemmorage. Arcane Arrestor isn't the quality I'm thinking of.....And I cannot for the life of me think of the name of the quality....I'm pretty sure its a SURGE quality.

[Lanlaorn]

Astral Hazing. Don't take that if you have anyone who's awakened in your party.

[Laodicea]

Astral Hazing. Don't take that if you have anyone who's awakened in your party.

That's the one. Thank you! Having something on the tip of your tongue is painful.

[MortVent]

Astral Hazing. Don't take that if you have anyone who's awakened in your party.

It's a fun one to have for someone that has a strong prejudice vs magic users and awakened... nothing like a hit man with his own portable background count gunning for ya (especially with arcane arrester)

[Neonsamurai]

wasn't "Mana static" erased in the newer books?

[Johnny B. Good]

wasn't "Mana static" erased in the newer books?

Nope, it's in street magic.

[Hagga]

It's a fun one to have for someone that has a strong prejudice vs magic users and awakened... nothing like a hit man with his own portable background count gunning for ya (especially with arcane arrester)

Just for that 'raised middle finger' effect to the guy across the table.

[MortVent]

Just for that 'raised middle finger' effect to the guy across the table.

On no for that I take a troll and surge it... claws, bone spikes, extra dermal plating, goring horns. And make it an adept with killing hands, penetrating strike 3 , mystic armor, improved skill unarmed, and attribute boosts

[toturi]

On no for that I take a troll and surge it... claws, bone spikes, extra dermal plating, goring horns. And make it an adept with killing hands, penetrating strike 3 , mystic armor, improved skill unarmed, and attribute boosts

With Astral Hazing? I think not.

[MortVent]

With Astral Hazing? I think not.

Astral hazing doesn't hindera physad as much as it would a mage/shaman. In fact if the physad has just straight boosts, and no astral perception pure real world ability it doesn't affect them at all.

[Stahlseele]

wasn't "Mana static" erased in the newer books?

aspected manastatic was more or less errataed out of the game . .

[Lanlaorn]

Astral hazing doesn't hindera physad as much as it would a mage/shaman. In fact if the physad has just straight boosts, and no astral perception pure real world ability it doesn't affect them at all.

What? It reduces your magic by 4, even with a starting magic of 6 that cuts out most of your power points (and thus, your adept powers). It also reduces your weapon focus by the same. While I admit it's not as bad as for a mage, that's not saying much. It's still really terrible.

Also Aspected Mana Static sounds super overpowered, if the name accurately describes what it does I can see why it's not in the game. Pick an obscure tradition (or create your own...) and win every fight against an awakened opponent on the first cast?

[MortVent]

What? It reduces your magic by 4, even with a starting magic of 6 that cuts out most of your power points (and thus, your adept powers). It also reduces your weapon focus by the same. While I admit it's not as bad as for a mage, that's not saying much. It's still really terrible.

Also Aspected Mana Static sounds super overpowered, if the name accurately describes what it does I can see why it's not in the game. Pick an obscure tradition (or create your own...) and win every fight against an awakened opponent on the first cast?

Was thinking of the older rules where it was a modifier vs a loss of magic to certain tasks.

But can just as easily boost up with cyberware and then have the ultimate high speed death machine for dealing with awakened foes.

-4 background count, 1/2 force on spells, and insane combat speed/capability.

I can see aztechnology and a few others finding and taining them for just that purpose... at high rates too

[Lanlaorn]

Well that's what the qualities are designed to do. There are metamagics to counter it though, Cleansing and Filtering. Cleansing in particular just seems really useful overall, an area effect astral signature eraser + background count suppressor and possibly permanent background count removal? Pretty nice.

[TommyTwoToes]

How about Depleted uranium rainbows over fields of dead bodies..... should make some BC.

[Stahlseele]

Also Aspected Mana Static sounds super overpowered, if the name accurately describes what it does I can see why it's not in the game. Pick an obscure tradition (or create your own...) and win every fight against an awakened opponent on the first cast?

basically, that's how it worked . .
it made everyone else weaker, while making yourself STRONGER STILL, because the background count was ASPECTED TOWARDS YOU.
So at force 6, evrybody else was at a -6 magic and you were at a +6 magic for all intents and purposes . .
And now couple this with an anchoring/sustaining focus and place that one into your medicine hut and you get to add THAT TOO . .
So you can get up to a +6+6 Background Count pretty easy and thus cast way over the top ritual spells or conjure up huge ass spirits . .
as long as you had them outside of that background count and you yourself were still inside . . once safely bound, get them INTO that . .
And now you have a Spirit of force OMGWTFBBQ +6+6 . .
now couple this with a ritual team made up of your own magical group, preferably of your own tradition, and you can take out everything.
or conjure up huge ass great form spirits . . and if you had not thought about it yet, think about this little gem:
Spellstacks . . cast force 1 for no drain, then have the background count make you stronger.
cast higher force. repeat ad nauseum. and i am not really sure, but i guess the background count of the different castings would stack too.
so cast force 1, and you are standing in level1 BGC. cast force 2 and you are now standing in BGC3 for no drain at all probably . .
Yes, now you should start to see why it was ruled out more or less . . Of course, they could have left it in too . .
But think about it this way: everything you can do, someone else can do too . . and now think about a ritual team made up of great dragons.
Or immoral elves. And they can cast a spell on the moon, without too much of a problem now . . maybe even mars or venus.
Heck, as long as the telecope is still optical in it's workings and you have a clear sky, not even the sky is your limit . .
Zurich Orbital happened to cross by . . oh . . whoops . . we were never here . .

As for creating Background count:
Someone just has to summon bloodzilla or the succubussia, and tell them to go and eat untill they are satisfied or you tell them to stop.