Disallowed in Your Game Options

[MortVent]

One way around the SIN is to send in a death notice on it. Many street docs can and will for about 1k or so.

But you can't use that SIN

Or like one of my characters, they don't know they have one...

[Traul]

Somewhere you still need electric current, disect your optical drive (CD or DVD) if you want an idea of just how much gold is still needed in an "optical" electronic device

It's not a ton, but it's more than none at all.

CDs and DVDs are electronic devices that happen to use a laser sensor. When talking about otpo-electronics, one usually thinks about something like that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_computing

[stevebugge]

As you said, CDs and DVDs are still electronic devices that happen to use a laser sensor. When talking about otpo-electronics, one usually thinks about something like that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_computing

The article says an optical computer replaces the electrons with photons, but it does not suggest that it eliminates the need for electricty, rather is suggests that the power consumption goes up. An optical computer as I understand from the article would replace the transistor based processor with an optical switch based processor of some type. It would not run on something other than electricty though and the gold comes in not so much in the actual computing parts but in all the connecting circuits and solders.

[Udoshi]

I don't understand being able to thread things outside of specifically matrix actions. Technomancers can thread because they have an intuitive understanding of how computers work, not because they know blue magic. It makes sense that they'd be able to thread an Exploit, as it finds flaws in firewall code. Empathy software, which is an algorithm for reading faces and analyzing pheromones, not so much.

Its not a far stretch. The resonance never forgets - not only due to the PlotHax Deleted Backup Warehouse in the resonance realms somewhere, but also because TM's and resonance entities in general have a few upsides.

CF's are -always- sota, and up to date. They never degrade. When you think about the amount of data they have instant access to, its a little frightening.
Sprite skills and autosofts. Any sprits with access to an Autosoft, Knowsoft, Linguasoft, etc - there's a few random types here and there - can get any skill, instantly, when they're summoned. Need a badass driver? Force 6 machine sprite with Maneuver. Doctor? Tutor 6 with Medicine and First Aid. Need to translate Obscure Egyptian Tablets? Data sprite's got you covered.

And if you extend that line of thought to things above Force 6, then, well, consider that the resonance can just whip up a being with more skill than a human will ever have. within 3 seconds.(because thats how long a combat round is)

For me, Threading is less 'oh no intuitive understanding of computers' and more intuitively pulling things out of the resonances ultra-wikipedia. But the point is, Sensorsofts are.... still software. I don't see why a TM can't whip one up in the usual fashion if he or she really wants.

[MortVent]

The trick for tm's is the sensor input feeds and database access for some of them

[CodeBreaker]

The trick for tm's is the sensor input feeds and database access for some of them

The Sensor Input is easy for TMs, for 1 Karma you can become a walking, talking Simrig. Your eyes, ears, skin become the sensors.

[Fauxknight]

I'd probably allow common allergies, it's the "Allergy: Gold" type stuff I'm trying to avoid (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

That rules out a good number of the sample characters.

[Karoline]

The Sensor Input is easy for TMs, for 1 Karma you can become a walking, talking Simrig. Your eyes, ears, skin become the sensors.

I thought they were already walking talking simrigs.

[Johnny Hammersti...]

1-emotitoys-a terrible idea, all around. shame.

2-all the races from RC, well, really, most of RC.

3-possession as written.

4-SnS is limited

[Mesh]

Because gold is non-reactive, it is a desirable coating for implants. For centuries it has been used to make gold teeth for example. Thus having it as an allergy would be a valid reason for the GM to make your cyberware more expensive. Yes, gold isn't cheap, but synthetic non-reactive substitutes are even more expensive. Why? Because you got BP for having the allergy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

The icing on this allergy's cake though is when a run yields a huge stack of gold bars. "Quick, everyone! Grab as many bars as you can and run! Hey, Peebo, why aren't you snagging your share of gold?"

Peebo: "Sadness." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

Mesh

[Squiddy Attack]

I -may- have gotten Stick 'N Shock banned. Not because of it being overpowered for its intended use, but for coming up with, ah, other uses involving sticking it to various metal objects.

<.<

[Karoline]

The icing on this allergy's cake though is when a run yields a huge stack of gold bars. "Quick, everyone! Grab as many bars as you can and run! Hey, Peebo, why aren't you snagging your share of gold?"

Peebo: "Sadness." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

Mesh

Hehe, that's even better than getting the gold statue from the gold foundry.

[Mäx]

The things really are one of the worse additions to the game I've ever seen. The emotion software itself isn't so bad because running it on a commlink requires a top of the line system and response, but getting the software cheaper by putting it on some stupid little drone is just inane.

Best answer to emotitoys is to just remind the player that with emotitoy he doesn't have an empathy software he has a toy with one and its the toy that gets bonus die to social rolls not the character.
Seriously nowhere in the book it says you get the benefits of an empathy software for having the toy.
Thats like saying "my drone has a smartlink, so i get +2 to shooting my gun".

[Saint Sithney]

But the point is, Sensorsofts are.... still software. I don't see why a TM can't whip one up in the usual fashion if he or she really wants.

Sensor softs are basically Autosofts. As such, they aren't meant to interact with the human nervous system. Additionally, the TM would need to Emulate it, and you can't Thread up something which you are already Emulating with Threading in the first place. At least, that's my understanding.

Personally, I like emosofts, but I think that it's nonsense that they add to a test directly. The software's understanding of facial expressions overlaps with the character's existing understanding of facial expressions. That's two tests being made for the same purpose, which is Teamwork. So, you make it a Teamwork Test and you get an average benefit of 4 dice with a Rating 6 Pilot/Agent running the Rating 6 software on a Response 6 chip, which is a heavy bonus for a heavy investment. You also pull an average of 2 dice for a R3 Pilot/Agent running a R3 emosoft on a Response 3 chip which is, quite honestly, cheap, but so is a Smartlink. Still, it does allow for the possibility of glitching, which can result in some fun times.

[Karoline]

Best answer to emotitoys is to just remind the player that with emotitoy he doesn't have an empathy software he has a toy with one and its the toy that gets bonus die to social rolls not the character.
Seriously nowhere in the book it says you get the benefits of an empathy software for having the toy.
Thats like saying "my drone has a smartlink, so i get +2 to shooting my gun".

You've brought this point up before and been argued down on it. Hell yes it does mean the player gets the benefit, just like if the commlink was running it. You wouldn't tell a player "Sorry, you don't get the empathy software bonus, your commlink does."

All you have to do is access the info on the toy (The exact same info you would have if you ran it on your commlink) and use it.

For the drone, sure you could put smartlink software on it and use it as your own smartlink software, no reason you couldn't, because a drone is, by all rights, a commlink that moves on its own.

[Udoshi]

Sensor softs are basically Autosofts. As such, they aren't meant to interact with the human nervous system. Additionally, the TM would need to Emulate it, and you can't Thread up something which you are already Emulating with Threading in the first place. At least, that's my understanding.

Oh, i suppose you're going to be calling ALL sofware Autosofts too, Then?
But sensorsofts aren't actually autosofts, Its really more like a Common Use program with a special cost.
Next, you're -assuming- that Sensorsofts aren't meant to be hooked up to Cybereeyes, ears, implanted sensors(radar, cyberarm MAD, etc), and that doesn't make sense at all. Also, treating them like a sensorsoft unfairly sextuples the amount of time it takes to create.
Additionally, Emulation is -only- for Activesofts, not Autosofts or other software in general, and it only applies for TMs with Biowires. It is not a super-special 'turn everypiece of software into a complex form' power that some people on this board make them out to be.

When you break out unwired, it becomes apparent there's a bunch of other software that doesn't fall into the usual classifications of Hacking, Common Use, Simsense, Autosoft, etc.
For example, There are Tacsofts. Trojans, Environmental AR software, Reality Amplifiers, software programming suits - all of these things are not in the traditional categories of programs. Same thing with Sensorsofts, which are covered by their own category - Sensor software. In an amazing display of cross-sourcebook referencing by catalyst, Sensor software has its own entry on the Advanced Programming table(unwired 119)

[stevebugge]

Total tangent, but we had a really funny situation where the characters had been pressed in to service by Lonestar to help break up a drug distribution ring and during a transaction one of the traffickers had one of the animatronic emotitoys (Bobo the clown model), except that the guy who had it was crazy and high on Novacoke and thought it was actually alive and it was the only thing he really trusted. One of the players made a poor roll (a handful of hits but not enough to beat a paranoid drug trafficker with an emotitoy) on his deception check. There is a pause, a couple of seconds of silence, then the trafficker declares "the Bobo sez you're lyin'!" and immediately starts shooting triggering a close range gunfight. good times.

[sabs]

You've brought this point up before and been argued down on it. Hell yes it does mean the player gets the benefit, just like if the commlink was running it. You wouldn't tell a player "Sorry, you don't get the empathy software bonus, your commlink does."

All you have to do is access the info on the toy (The exact same info you would have if you ran it on your commlink) and use it.

For the drone, sure you could put smartlink software on it and use it as your own smartlink software, no reason you couldn't, because a drone is, by all rights, a commlink that moves on its own.

Well Except that Smart link software runs on the 'gun'
not your commlink.

But certainly if your drone had a gun, and was running smartlink, I would give you the smartlink bonus for shooting the gun on the drone. But it wouldn't help you with the gun in your hand.

[Karoline]

Well Except that Smart link software runs on the 'gun'
not your commlink.

But certainly if your drone had a gun, and was running smartlink, I would give you the smartlink bonus for shooting the gun on the drone. But it wouldn't help you with the gun in your hand.

Well, there technically isn't any smartlink software. There is the smartgun attachment for your gun, which gives it the ability to use smartlink, and there is the smartlink enhancement for cybereyes/vision enhancements which allows it to properly display smartlink data. No where is there any indication of where all the calculations and stuff are being done. It could be on the gun, or the gun could be accessing the commlink, or it could be why a special thing is required to display it on your glasses, and that is where the processing is being done. The game really leaves that part undefined, which really kind of shows my point of "it doesn't matter what is running the program, so long as you have proper access to the data it provides."

It's like how it doesn't matter if my computer does the math 2+2, or another computer does, so long as I know that the answer is 4.

[CodeBreaker]

Sensor softs are basically Autosofts. As such, they aren't meant to interact with the human nervous system. Additionally, the TM would need to Emulate it, and you can't Thread up something which you are already Emulating with Threading in the first place. At least, that's my understanding.

How did you come up with that then? No where near Sensorsofts does it say they are Autosofts. They are not truly intended to run on a drone (They can, but it is not specific) and they do not give a Pilot program a specific skill or new ability (they augment them).

And you wouldn't be able to emulate it either way. Emulate is for skillsofts and skillsofts alone.

[Mäx]

You've brought this point up before and been argued down on it. Hell yes it does mean the player gets the benefit, just like if the commlink was running it. You wouldn't tell a player "Sorry, you don't get the empathy software bonus, your commlink does."

All you have to do is access the info on the toy (The exact same info you would have if you ran it on your commlink) and use it.

For the drone, sure you could put smartlink software on it and use it as your own smartlink software, no reason you couldn't, because a drone is, by all rights, a commlink that moves on its own.

So what your saying is that if i have a predator in my hand and my steel lynx has a smartlink vision enchament to its camera i get +2 dice to shoot the predator with.
Thats totally ridiculous.

[Johnny B. Good]

Each device running smartlink software needs a corresponding smartlink module on the gun in order to receive the +2 bonus. Smartlink software comes with the smartlink module, but I don't think you have to run multiple copies of the smartlink software in order to receive bonuses to multiple guns.

You CAN emulate smartlink software as a technomancer. That only allows you to run the software on your brain. You still need a corresponding smartlink module in the gun.

[CodeBreaker]

You CAN emulate smartlink software as a technomancer. That only allows you to run the software on your brain. You still need a corresponding smartlink module in the gun.

*You CAN thread smartlink software.

Slight difference, but they are two different things.

[Johnny B. Good]

*You CAN thread smartlink software.

Slight difference, but they are two different things.

I mean emulate, as in pay for with karma as a CF. There's a sidebar about that somewhere in unwired.

[CodeBreaker]

I mean emulate, as in pay for with karma as a CF. There's a sidebar about that somewhere in unwired.

The only time Emulate is used connecting to TMs in Unwired is in the use of Biowires and Autosofts. When a Technomancer learns the Smartlink complex form (page 136), thats all they are doing. They are not emulating it, they are just learning the Complex Form. They can also thread that complex form up on the run (as a Rating 1 complex form).

Emulate: Turning Skillsofts into Complex Forms
Threading: Everything else.