Solving California's Water Problem, one town at a time with magic |
Solving California's Water Problem, one town at a time with magic |
Mar 3 2004, 01:58 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
My magician has decided that water is valuable in California, and he may have a magical solution worth lots of nuyen.
Starting with Create Food (Target 4, Permanent, +1S drain) as a template, he wants to design the following spell: Create Water (Target 4, Permanent, +1S base drain) Area Spell (+1 Drain level) Extended Area (+1 Drain Level) Sustained (+1 Drain Target) All three of these modifiers are available for manipulation spells. The resulting drain code would be +4D. He could easily design the spell at Force 1 in 15 to 30 days, learn it in another day, and bond a force 1 sustaining focus for this spell. He could presumably visit a town with a dry reservoir, place and activate his spell focus, and create water in an area 60m in radius every Combat Turn until the reservoir is filled. After a few days he turns off the spell lock and moves on. He may take some drain placing the spell lock (resisting 4D), but it'll go away. Comments? |
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Mar 3 2004, 02:22 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Making it sustained would not allow it create more water. Sustaining it would simply keep the water you made until the spell is dropped, at which time the water would disappear. Think about barrier, it does not create an increasingly larger barrier while sustained.
Area and Extended would simply spread the same volume of water over a larger area. |
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Mar 3 2004, 02:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Santa Cruz Member No.: 5,500 |
Force 4 Great form water elementals can make 32CM of water every combat round.I think there are at least 8,640 rounds a day.So for a days cost of a reasonably skilled hematic you get ~200,000 tons of water.
Let's make that a force 6 elemental. You get more than twice as much. If CFS had a water problem,and would pay more for water than a shadowrunner makes,there would be little not reason for hematic shadow runners in CFS. |
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Mar 3 2004, 02:44 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Every single 32CM of water is a service, IIRC.
Water Elementals last until their services are gone, not sunrise or sunset. Elemental conjuring materials cost 1,000 nuyen per force. |
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Mar 3 2004, 03:00 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
I believe Create Water is already a canon spell in Target: Wastelands, the desert section.
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Mar 3 2004, 03:13 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
Yes, thanks. Page 119. Same stats as I presented above. Creates approximately 4 liters per success. Do you think an area-affect version would create more? There is no indication that a higher-force spell has any benefit over a Force 1 spell.
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Mar 3 2004, 03:19 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Interesting. I though the number of servings for Create Food was force dependant (successes up to force or some such) and assumed Create Water was the same. If not, then I could see allowing an Area and Extended area. Though I would probably just make it force dependant. At some point one must say there is a reason for ritual magic and such. Weather magic is real in SR and groups are paid to perform it. Canon makes that profitable, so something like this cannot be to the same degree. But, I won't argue those points anymore. [handsoffsmiley] |
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Mar 3 2004, 03:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
People seem to dislike using the Create Food spell as a template. Last time I suggested create ammo and create Orichalcum they got mad.
Then again considering that spells like toxic wave create highly potent toxic chemicals I think just about anything can be created with enough study. I can't see any reason to give a permanent spell the sustained option. What's the point? It's self-sustaining. Anyway, what's the California population? If we divide that by 100 we can have a reasonable figure for how many magicians they have, and thus how much water they could make this way. |
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Mar 3 2004, 04:02 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
I don't have my book handy, but I thought it said it can creat water for people equal to force. 4 Liters is about what a person needs to drink in a normal climate (not desert and under normal conditions(not exsersising) per day to remain healthy. If I remember correctly force 1 would be enough for the mage to survive on 1 casting.
As for the area effect, I would have to think about that. I can't remember exactly how that spell works canonically. Is it a transformation manipulation? If it is then I could see a chance of it being an area spell. If it is not I just don't see it being one. EDIT: I too have created a creat"Blank" spell. My GM thought it was a great idea. He tried to take my spell even further then what I wanted ti to do. Basically making super uber. I purposelly made it weak and virtually a mind screw to cast. I figued if I could just cast a spell for what ever I wanted, then why play? I jsut made the spell to help in situations that migh only come up in very rare occasions. It was a roleplaying thing that my character is into finding and developing wierd spells. |
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Mar 3 2004, 06:45 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
But it doesnt really. Fireball and Acid and the like do NOT stay in existance. they appear, cause their damage then dissipate. It's even addressed in the book.
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Mar 3 2004, 08:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
Actually it doesn't say they vanish, just that the spells effects last for 1 combat turn. Some of them, such as spells that use smoke or sand effects, are obviously permanent. You could just say whatever fuel the fire burns is used up in 1 turn, or the acid tends to wear out it's potency and become inert in 3 seconds. |
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Mar 3 2004, 08:34 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
The acid section in MitS states that it evaporates quickly.
Fire, lightning, blast, and light effects are instant, but the secondary effects may last. Water, acid, smoke, and ice state a specific primary effect that lasts for the rest of the turn. Metal and sand have neither type of limit. |
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Mar 3 2004, 09:38 AM
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Harlequin Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 331 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 861 |
The spell is a permanent one, which means that after you have sustained it for x number of turns you can drop the spell and the water will still be there.
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Mar 3 2004, 10:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 402 Joined: 23-April 03 From: London, UK Member No.: 4,491 |
Is the drain code for Create Water the same as for Create Food?
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Mar 3 2004, 10:25 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
Yes.
I agree that a permanent spell can't be modified to create over and over, so my trick won't work. I'd ask my GM to rule that an Area Affect Create spell should make more than the regular spell, or that an Extended version of the spell should create 10 times as much, but neither would be canon. Thank you, everyone, for your suggestions and comments. |
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Mar 3 2004, 11:04 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
Now make it touch range and you have a +1(M) spell.
A good sorcerer with the spell (A dwarf with it at force 5 exclusive for reducd drain and a trauma dampener) should be able to create enough water to feed 19200 per day... If you tweaked that (higher initiative, albino gnome, higher force spell, add some foci, add centering) then you could just cast oxygenate on some of the 'lil buggers and throw them into a resevoir... They'd keep it at a reasonable level. |
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Mar 6 2004, 08:30 AM
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Where exactly are you going to cast this spell in Cali? L.A.? They need it, but the Magic Wars have left the astral just a tad FUBAR. The south bay? It's a toxic hell IIRC. The Mojave? Ditto on need, and they have their own magical problems. The Protectorate? ... The Crescent, where water does exist?
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Mar 6 2004, 08:35 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Filtering or Cleansing Metamagics. |
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Mar 6 2004, 08:40 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Cast it on your tanker truck just outside of the toxic area, and have that deliver the water...
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Mar 8 2004, 03:55 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,362 Joined: 3-October 03 From: Poway, San Diego County, CA, USA Member No.: 5,676 |
Rather than creating water, try condensing it from the air, or filtering it from the sea. Better yet, summon a water elemental and just have it purify water from the ocean and pump it into a tanker truck.
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Mar 8 2004, 05:00 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Just wait until my sustained 'heat rock' based power plant goes on line, free electricity!
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Mar 8 2004, 09:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
There's a lot of problems in SR that should have been solved a long time ago with magic. There should be no pollution as long as the purify spell exists, for instance. Quicken "Animate" on a turbine to produce pollution free power, or animate your cars so they run forever without gas. Create all the food you need to feed the hungry (although with the land clean you don't really need to, farming will be functional again). Purify water and alter the weather to fix droughts.
Of course Shadowrun is a Gritty and Dark world where problems are never solved, just made worse. I suspect that's the main reason nobody in the whole Sixth world manages to see such solutions, although I could also see some ways it could be integrated into the metaplot. |
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Mar 8 2004, 09:26 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,458 Joined: 22-March 03 From: I am a figment of my own imagination. Member No.: 4,302 |
There's not enough mana to sustain enough spells to solve the world's problems, or those of even a single city, let alone California. It's as simple as that.
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Mar 8 2004, 04:58 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Also long term sustained spells cause mana hazing and pollute astral space.
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Mar 8 2004, 05:11 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Getting loads of ideas for my Forgotten Realms port... :vegm:
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