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 Aug 11 2010, 06:11 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 90 Joined: 11-August 10 Member No.: 18,923  |
I know at some point someone has to have asked this question, but in the event they haven't, I'm going to.
Has there ever been, or in the future will there be, a Shadowrun expansion book that goes into detail about the various branches of the military for the major governments of the world? I'm sure there must be somewhere, but for the life of me I can't seem to find it in any of the books that I currently have. what I'm really interested in is primarily structural info, particularly for mages and deckers. I know the core rulebooks have a brief little blurb about it, but other than that I can't find much. |
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Aug 11 2010, 06:53 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
Isn't there something like this in the pipeline, under the working name of War?
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Aug 11 2010, 07:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 427 Joined: 24-June 09 From: Earth...I hope... Member No.: 17,317 |
I haven't really found much info on this either. I was trying to make a character once who was an ex-Navy Seal, but couldn't really find info for the UCAS navy, where they have bases, what's different about it as compared to today's navy, etc... Pretty much had to BS the whole thing. I would love if this "War" book is coming soon, provided it exists (I haven't hear much about it).
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Aug 11 2010, 07:30 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
QUOTE Isn't there something like this in the pipeline, under the working name of War? If there was, and there were people working on it now, and those people read Dumpshock, you could probably post a wish list and see if it gets in there. By the same token, if there was, and there were people working on it now, and those people read Dumpshock, you could post everything you could possibly think of that has anything to do with the military in Shadowrun and then loudly complain that you thought of it first and the writers are ripping off your ideas once the book hits print. Hm ... on that note ... Drop bear bombardments! Power armor! Tanks that convert to jet fighters! Sharks with frickin' lasers! Undead armies! Magical bullets! Drones that join together to form a mega-drone! There, now those ideas are all mine. =i) |
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Aug 11 2010, 07:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 427 Joined: 24-June 09 From: Earth...I hope... Member No.: 17,317 |
QUOTE (Aaron @ Aug 11 2010, 03:30 PM)  If there was, and there were people working on it now, and those people read Dumpshock, you could probably post a wish list and see if it gets in there. By the same token, if there was, and there were people working on it now, and those people read Dumpshock, you could post everything you could possibly think of that has anything to do with the military in Shadowrun and then loudly complain that you thought of it first and the writers are ripping off your ideas once the book hits print. Hm ... on that note ... Drop bear bombardments! Power armor! Tanks that convert to jet fighters! Sharks with frickin' lasers! Undead armies! Magical bullets! Drones that join together to form a mega-drone! There, now those ideas are all mine. =i) Whoa now! I don't see any © there anywhere... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif) |
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Aug 11 2010, 07:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 120 Joined: 13-July 02 From: Waltham, MA Member No.: 2,969 |
The old Fields of Fire sourcebook covered mercenary operations, and introduced a lot of the heavier weapons to SR2 that have since become fairly standard. It also has a few light armored vehicles in there as well. Waaay out of date, but probably the closest thing out there.
The Cyberpirates sourcebook also had a bunch of rules and information for dealing with Naval combat, which (typically) is the domain of the big corps and nation states. It has things in it like stats for aircraft carriers and attack submarines. Beyond that the stuff related to actual militaries is in minor comments in other sourcebooks and comments in novels. There isn't much milspec vehilce hardware statted out, and nothing like TO&E has ever been published. A recent thread had the discussion of how well equipped regular army forces are vs. a Shadowrun team - but with nothing "canon" it's all just speculation and there is a lot of disagreement. Fields of Fire (which is set in 2055) says that mages are typically used in special operations, recon and defensive rolls. Their numbers are too limited to be particularly effective as attack forces except in special circumstances. The author also notes that he expects that to change in the future, so by 2072...who knows? Hacking was a very different beast before 4th edition, so I don't think you'll find all that much that is applicable anymore. |
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Aug 11 2010, 08:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
There was a announcment of just such a book and it is called WAR! The cover work was released on Catalysts website so you should be able to find it with a little looking. No release date as far as I am aware of though.
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Aug 11 2010, 08:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 427 Joined: 24-June 09 From: Earth...I hope... Member No.: 17,317 |
QUOTE (Stormdrake @ Aug 11 2010, 04:00 PM) There was a announcment of just such a book and it is called WAR! The cover work was released on Catalysts website so you should be able to find it with a little looking. No release date as far as I am aware of though. Link? Can't seem to find it. |
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Aug 11 2010, 08:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
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Aug 11 2010, 08:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 427 Joined: 24-June 09 From: Earth...I hope... Member No.: 17,317 |
Nifty! Thanks a ton!
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Aug 11 2010, 08:48 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 5-December 08 From: DC area Member No.: 16,661 |
If I remember correctly, there was also something on the little handout they gave at the Catalyst booth at GenCon - I forget the exact name but one of the products was about MilSpec stuff and military-related things. Of course, I could be completely wrong...
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Aug 11 2010, 09:55 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 21-August 09 Member No.: 17,527 |
Considering how Fort Lewis sits right in the middle of Seattle, I've always been surprised at how little attention was given to the UCAS military's TO&E and how it related to the military in Seattle. Lots of general info about the region, but not a lot on how they respond to runners with regards to gear and manpower.
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Aug 11 2010, 09:57 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Not to mention the Supercarrier Group that's in the Harbour.
My group has already commented about stealing a fighter jet... Until I pointed out that they'd have to deal with the UCAS Marine Corps. |
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Aug 11 2010, 10:13 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 21-August 09 Member No.: 17,527 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 11 2010, 02:57 PM) Not to mention the Supercarrier Group that's in the Harbour. My group has already commented about stealing a fighter jet... Until I pointed out that they'd have to deal with the UCAS Marine Corps. Gotta think big to win big. |
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Aug 11 2010, 10:20 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
QUOTE (Aaron @ Aug 11 2010, 08:30 PM) Hm ... on that note ... Drop bear bombardments! Power armor! Tanks that convert to jet fighters! Sharks with frickin' lasers! Undead armies! Magical bullets! Drones that join together to form a mega-drone! There, now those ideas are all mine. =i) Guns. © |
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Aug 11 2010, 10:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 21-December 04 From: 50 Clicks north of Dragon City (Front Range Free Zone) Member No.: 6,896 |
I know I'd like to see the old Stonewall tank from Rigger 1 finally put in.
I'd also love to see the return of the Aztechnology Lobo as well as its "Relampago" railgun In addition to more ships. USS Powell wasnt it? |
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Aug 11 2010, 11:11 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Mugzy @ Aug 11 2010, 05:33 PM) In addition to more ships. USS Powell wasnt it? Yep, the USS Colin Powell. |
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Aug 12 2010, 08:16 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Stormdrake @ Aug 11 2010, 10:20 PM) Thats the cover for Attitude, not War. |
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Aug 12 2010, 08:18 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
That's the wrong cover, yeah, but it does still have the little blurb on War, at least.
And also, I wouldn't necessarily expect "Fields of Fire, 2.0" from it. Going by that little blurb, it looks more like a setting/scenario/adventure type pack, dealing very specifically with the situation in South America. I'm sure others know more details, but it reads to me like it won't necessarily be chock full of universal military "rules." |
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Aug 12 2010, 10:35 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
The best info on Magic in the Military I've found is in the Seattle Sourcebook's section on the Joint Task force and the Metroplex Guard.
QUOTE > It’s worth noting that JTFS also massively outguns the Metroplex Guard in terms
of magical resources. Before the Renraku crisis, the Guard had exactly four magicians, one for each combat battalion and one assigned to the command regiment. The Task Force has easily ten times that number, including some specialforces magicians and adepts who make the Guard magickers look like toddlers playing with “Age of Atlantis™” AR toys. > Ethernaut |
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Aug 12 2010, 12:39 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
War. huh-yeah. What is it good for?
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Aug 12 2010, 01:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 427 Joined: 24-June 09 From: Earth...I hope... Member No.: 17,317 |
QUOTE (Voran @ Aug 12 2010, 08:39 AM) War. huh-yeah. What is it good for? Absolutely Nuthin'! Uh-Huh! Say it 'gain y'all! |
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Aug 12 2010, 01:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 31-July 06 From: Denmark Member No.: 8,995 |
QUOTE (Voran @ Aug 12 2010, 02:39 PM) War. huh-yeah. What is it good for? Absolutely nothin! Except for ending slavery, nazism, fascism, communism of course. And the ethnic cleansing in ex-Jugoslavia, and freeing Kuwait, and that Afghanistan is no longer ruled by Taleban. Too bad about war missing the genocides in Rwanda and Darfur. |
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Aug 12 2010, 01:20 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
You forgot the original Star Wars trilogy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Aug 12 2010, 01:51 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Aug 12 2010, 07:19 AM) Except for ending slavery, nazism, fascism, communism of course. And the ethnic cleansing in ex-Jugoslavia, and freeing Kuwait, and that Afghanistan is no longer ruled by Taleban. Too bad about war missing the genocides in Rwanda and Darfur. The song lyrics were ok, humorous, if off topic.. This bit is is against the TOS and very likely to derail a thread and get warnings bandied about. |
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