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 Aug 12 2010, 07:06 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 31-July 06 From: Denmark Member No.: 8,995  |
Does semiautos specialization work for BF pistols? SA/BF pistols? Only when firing SA? Can you choose a spec for BF pistols ("I hit better with a gasvented pistol firing narrow bursts than SA")?
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Aug 12 2010, 07:34 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Aug 11 2010, 11:06 PM)  Does semiautos specialization work for BF pistols? SA/BF pistols? Only when firing SA? Can you choose a spec for BF pistols ("I hit better with a gasvented pistol firing narrow bursts than SA")? By the literal definition, I'd say no. If you want to have it apply whenever the weapon is fired on SemiAuto, I'd have no issue... then again, I let players use AR's on SA with the Long Guns skill (and SMG's on SA with the Pistols skill). Essentially, the "semiautos" specialization is a little odd, and in all honesty, a pistol which fires multiple rounds with a single trigger pull is flat-out not the same as a true semiauto when you're the one behind the trigger. |
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Aug 12 2010, 12:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 694 Joined: 21-March 09 Member No.: 17,002 |
having Pistols(Heavy pistols) specialization would better choice than spec. for BF pistols..
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Aug 12 2010, 01:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 222 Joined: 12-July 10 Member No.: 18,814 |
I've always considered this specialization to cover the style (loading/firing mechanizsm) of the pistol and not the literal SA mode, bascially the clip ( c) fed models. If your GM doesn't like that then you need to deal with him about maybe using clearer specializations for pistols like hold-out, light, and heavy. Specializations aren't exactly concrete, so if you can't come to any agreement on a category for the specialization then just specialize in the exact gun you plan on using.
I wouldn't assume, at least not in 4A, that a weapon that can switch firing modes would fall under different specializations or even different weapon types. That may have been true in previous editions but in 4 and 4A a skill or specialization seems to include knowledge and familiarity of a weapon and all of its capabilities. |
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Aug 12 2010, 02:25 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Honestly, the SA one shouldn't exist. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) That said, you can spec anything your GM agrees to. Try to make it limited enough to be fair.
Agreed, Fire Mode specs are a little odd. |
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Aug 12 2010, 02:26 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,179 Joined: 10-June 10 From: St. Louis, UCAS/CAS Border Member No.: 18,688 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 12 2010, 02:25 PM) Honestly, the SA one shouldn't exist. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) That said, you can spec anything your GM agrees to. Try to make it limited enough to be fair. Agreed, Fire Mode specs are a little odd. Yar. I'd rather have a Pistols(Machine Pistols) specialization. |
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Aug 12 2010, 02:36 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Aug 12 2010, 10:26 AM) Yar. I'd rather have a Pistols(Machine Pistols) specialization. Except that Machine Pistols are oddly in the Automatics skill. -karma |
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Aug 12 2010, 02:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 219 Joined: 16-November 09 From: United States Member No.: 17,876 |
You could always take Pistols (Short Bursts) as a specialization. But then you may as well just go Automatics (Short Bursts).
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Aug 12 2010, 02:41 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,179 Joined: 10-June 10 From: St. Louis, UCAS/CAS Border Member No.: 18,688 |
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Aug 12 2010, 02:36 PM) Except that Machine Pistols are oddly in the Automatics skill. -karma Well, what I want and what exists in the game aren't necessarily the same thing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Aug 12 2010, 02:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 419 Joined: 22-May 10 From: Germany Member No.: 18,604 |
I've always wondered why they made the pistols specialization different from all other firearms skills where you just specialize in one category. I prefer handling Pistols like the other skills and have specializations of: Tasers, Holdouts, Light Pistols, Heavy Pistols.
Also in regard to the OP: By RAW you can't put a gas vent on a pistol. |
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Aug 13 2010, 06:17 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 12 2010, 04:25 PM) Agreed, Fire Mode specs are a little odd. Its not a firemode speck its a type of pistol, you know as opposed to a revolver. |
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Aug 13 2010, 07:22 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
The advantage to taking it with Pistols is 2-4 more points of conceal on a weapon that can fire bursts, and in some cases slings heavier rounds (heavy pistols). Believe me, I'm a huge fan of Machine Pistols in SR4, but they're not exactly compact.
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Aug 13 2010, 12:59 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Yeah, Max, it's a type of pistol that includes 95% of the category, which is bullshit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) The idea of BF, etc., is even worse.
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Aug 13 2010, 05:26 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 13 2010, 02:17 AM) Its not a firemode speck its a type of pistol, you know as opposed to a revolver. And yet, for a lot of semi-auto pistols currently, you can open the pistol up and alter the sear, and Hey! you suddenly have a machine pistol. A crappy one, sure, but it'll keep firing as long as you hold down the trigger. The only difference in a purpose built one is that it has (possibly) reinforced internal parts and a bigger mag. It's otherwise held like a pistol, aimed like a pistol, fired like a pistol. -karma |
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Aug 16 2010, 08:41 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 16-August 10 Member No.: 18,941 |
QUOTE (Combat Mage @ Aug 12 2010, 08:42 AM) Also in regard to the OP: By RAW you can't put a gas vent on a pistol. But, as already stated, a Machine Pistol is an Automatic, and per SR4 311, can receive the Gas Vent mod. |
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Aug 16 2010, 09:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 704 Joined: 20-November 06 From: The seemingly unknown area of land between Seattle and Idaho. Member No.: 9,910 |
In the past, when I specialized a pistols skill I called it autoloaders to avoid firing mode confusion.
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Aug 17 2010, 02:18 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Silbeg, isn't that the point, though? A machine pistol is not a Pistol at all in SR4, so it's not even part of the question here.
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