 Oh, yeah I need Balistic armor., Armor suggestions please |
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 Mar 3 2004, 05:13 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 19-July 03 Member No.: 4,982  |
Hello. I've got a character that's currently in a game, and after a near death experience in the first run I've realized if he wants to live though a second one he'll need some more armor.
My character can't use Cyber or bioware, so i'm limited to clothing/body armor specifically. To make things worse, the character i'm playing is... a bit full of himself. He's very vain so currently he's just in some sleeping Tiger line suits (not nearly enough armor) So any suggestions on what to put this guy in to keep him from looking like swiss cheese after every gun battle, and still look stylin' enough for a night on the town? |
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Mar 3 2004, 05:19 AM
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The Wandering One Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 121 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Camp Hill, PA, USA Member No.: 135 |
You really need to tailor the armor to the situation.
What you use for running is not what you take wear out to dinner. My personal favorites are (Need Cannon Companion for these) Running: Long Coat and Rapid Transit Heavy Jumpsuit Night out on the Town - Vashon Island Actioneer |
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Mar 3 2004, 05:31 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
-----> :grinbig: :D Form Fitting Body Armor :D :grinbig: <-----
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Mar 3 2004, 05:45 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Definately. Form-Fitting Body Armour is practically mandatory when being a Shadowrunner. :) You can get an armour rating of 3/1 from FFBA-2 for free as it were since it doesn't count against stacking armour or quickness penalties. And if the player is a bit of a snob the Armante, Vashon Island or Mortimer of London lines would probably interest them.
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Mar 3 2004, 05:52 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,458 Joined: 22-March 03 From: I am a figment of my own imagination. Member No.: 4,302 |
Virtually any armor and a Fashion spell will do the trick...
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Mar 3 2004, 06:49 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
That's one way to wearing that hardened Military Armour to a Luxury party. Following Victory's success at introducing the Clone Trooper line to high society, we are now showcasing our latest effort in military chic: the Storm Trooper collection. Place your orders early to avoid disappointment! |
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Mar 3 2004, 06:51 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
BOO! BOO!
Fan boys are never going to be accepted. Ever! Stupid Ewoks. |
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Mar 3 2004, 07:00 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
For those at the highest end of society who feel that they have need to show some macho military zest, we proudly present you the Vader!
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Mar 3 2004, 07:10 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
*Hits moosegod with a tree and watches him explode.* Yub yub! :D |
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Mar 3 2004, 09:11 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
I have trouble with using Fashion on anything more protective than the Long Coat or Heavy Jumpsuit, due to Force limitations of the spell. It requires six 6's on the sorcery test to get a Force 6 Fashion spell to affect a Secure Jacket.
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Mar 3 2004, 10:22 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
SomeGuy, just to sumarize the above suggestions, here are a couple standard configurations for people who optimize the numbers.
For a Character with Quickness 6, wear all 3 of the following: Secure Long Coat (4/2), helps conceal weapons. SR3.284. Victory Rapid Transit Heavy Jumpsuit (2/4), cool options. CC.50. Full suit Form Fitting Body Armor (4/1). Cannon Companion p. 51. Using the armor layering rules (SR3.285) you get full value of highest-rated layer of armor and half value of the next-highest rated layer. So for Ballistic you count Long Coat (4) and half of FFBA (4) for a total of 6. For Impact you count Heavy Jumpsuit (4) and half of Long Coat (2) for a total of 5. Thus you achieve 6/5 armor with this combination. The sum of the full values of the Ballistic Layers (don't count the FFBA because it has special rules) is 6. The sum of the full values of the Impact Layers (don't count FFBA) is 6. Since neither exceeds the character's Quickness of 6 there is no penalty to Combat Pool, Quickness tests, or Quickness-linked skill tests. (See Layering rules on page 285.) Adding helmets, shields, or forearm guards contribute at full value to armor, but also to the numbers used for determining penalties. There actually won't be any penalty if the sum of the full Impact Armors only exceeds your Quickness by 1, so talk your GM into letting you buy a cheap Skateboarding or Bicycling Helmet (0/1) at around a cost of 35 nuyen (even though its not in the books), or add forearm guards. Adding this gets you to 6/6 armor. Pretty good for a Quickness 6 character. If the character is Quickness 7, you can use a Secure Jacket instead of a Secure Long Coat to get the Ballistic up to 7, but it doesn't raise the Impact protection. The limits for Quickness 5 characters are lower. I haven't worked out an optimum combination. I hope this helps you evaluate what you're going to do. |
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Mar 3 2004, 01:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 693 Joined: 26-March 03 Member No.: 4,335 |
I understand why you might want to wear FFBA to avoid penalties to quickness and combat pool, but...
Why do I seem to remember that only 2 layers actually count for the armor? Isn't it full armor for the biggest layer, plus 1/2 armor for the second, and nill for any others? I'll have to look at my book tonight... And I've never had a character with the full suit of FFBA - the hood, gloves, and booties are a bit conspicuous. It's hard to blend in when you are dressed like the Phantom. (Hooded FBA, trenchcoat, sunglasses) EDIT: Oh, I see where you are going - you are only using 2 layers, but you are using a _different_ two layers for Ballistic vs Impact. |
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Mar 3 2004, 01:42 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
As far as I'm aware, there are no rules for having a third layer of armor. Some people halve it again, some people ignore it.
Don't forget, the full body camouflage suit is 5/3, I generally grab that rather than the jacket, and I put on thermal dampening. The other thing to keep in mind, I generally get a bunch of the CC stuff for the FFBA; fire protection, gas seal, so on and so forth. I'm of the opinion that you can take off the gloves and the hood, so as long as you're not in short sleeves, it's not too too inconspicuous. FFBA... never leave home without it! |
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Mar 3 2004, 01:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 400 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 825 |
Right. It's the two highest ratings that are used, not the two best overall pieces. |
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Mar 3 2004, 02:45 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
That is a major point of discussion. Somepeople let you and just keep apling the rules as is somepeople flat out don't. Personally i'm one of the former since CP and quickness penelties start to add up pretty fast once once you go beyond the third none FFBA layer. |
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Mar 3 2004, 02:49 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
I use the Rapid Transit Line Jumpsuits instead of the various camouflage suits. Those jumpsuits have up to 10 colours and patterns. So we can have 10 camou suits for the price of only 1. |
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 Mar 3 2004, 03:07 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 84 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Toronto, Canada Member No.: 2,067 |
Given that Someguy specifically mentioned that he wanted something that his character could look good in (ie. Camo Fatigues ain't going to cut it) I'd suggest the Actioneer Suit with a full suit of FFBA underneath. Beyond that your armour is going to start becoming more visible and less fashion friendly.
If you're entering situations where fashion is less important than sheer protective value then certainly, the suggestions offered above are entirely sound. TBO |
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Mar 3 2004, 03:42 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Or, if your GM isn't paying attention, multiple layers of FFBA! Just keep on layering on that +2 ballistic...
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Mar 3 2004, 04:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 693 Joined: 26-March 03 Member No.: 4,335 |
I agree - mostly. I think the full suit is a bad idea. The armored hood and gloves don't go well with the Auctioneer. A bit of a social faux pas. |
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Mar 3 2004, 04:25 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Strictly by Canon however, the full suit should be allowable. The hood can be passed off as some assessory and gloves are gloves. Micheal Jackson wears a glove. :P
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Mar 3 2004, 04:30 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Dangling babies off balconies is also a bit of a social faux pas.
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Mar 3 2004, 04:52 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 84 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Toronto, Canada Member No.: 2,067 |
Correct me if I'm wrong but on the FFBA the hood can be tucked away and there's no saying you need to wear the gloves all the time. Pockets make wonderful storage spaces until you need the extra protection. TBO |
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Mar 3 2004, 04:56 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Shouldn't be; more babies should be dangled off balconies. As for the full FFBA, it has a Conceal of something like 10 so it's pretty clear that gloves, hood, etc. are a nonissue. ~J |
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Mar 3 2004, 06:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 27-January 03 From: Kentucky, USA Member No.: 3,958 |
I'll echo my suggestion from the "how to keep your mage alive" thread: Armor Vest w/ plates and a Secure Longcoat. Good armor, extra concealability for your weapons, and it looks casual on the street.
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Mar 3 2004, 07:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 22-June 02 From: Parts Without Member No.: 2,897 |
Kesh, that's got to be an Ares ad slogan:
"Ares PLATECH armor vest and Securicoat. Great aromor, extra concealability, and it looks casual on the street. Ares-- the armor makah!" |
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