Who really need a phanter cannon?, You can get the booom anyway Options

[The Jopp]

Who really needs a Phanter Cannon?

Unless it is vehicle mounted the Sammy can live with less – and keep the power.

Take the PJSS Elephant Rifle.
Add Additional Clip X2
Add Extended Clip X2

2 Shots + X2 Clips = 4 Shots
Extended Clip= +25% / Clip = 2,5 shots per clip, Round up= 3 Shots per clip

The above modifications can easily be explained that the rifle have two barrels and have gained a cylinder magazine that locks two bullets to the twin barrels for each rotation and have 6 shots.

Then we saw off the barrel and stock for added concealability – or at least make it shorter.
Concealability, forget it. Now, I realize that is gimping yourself as the modification rules don’t allow for all of that at the same time but that part is for style so who gives…

Extra Clip X2= 4 Slots
Extended Clip X2= 2 Slots
Reduced barrel X2= 2 Slots

The weapon would look like something like a cross between a double barrelled rifle (over/under barrel design) and a Pancor Jackhammer.

We can still fire two shots at a time and with Ex-Ex we do 11P -2B up to 80 meters with no basic penalty.

We can also create a SR version of a real life rifle which are both the triple barrelled hunting rifle and there is also a four barrelled rifle.

Triple barrelled is simple. Add Extended Clip for the 3 barreled or Additional clip for the four barrelled version.

Tri barrelled firing all three barrels would do a base damage of 11P -2B and the four barrelled would do a 12P -2B.

Triple barrelled adds +2 recoil and the four barrelled +3 recoil when firing all barrels.

[Fauxknight]

Who really needs a Phanter Cannon?

Panther

Take the PJSS Elephant Rifle.
Add Additional Clip X2
Add Extended Clip X2

Those are options for clip fed weapons ( c), the PJSS is a break action weapon ( b) so they aren't available for it.

[Summerstorm]

And... what would just stop you from taking a Panther (Yeah, it's Panther) instead? I don't see how the elephant rifle is subtler. ESPECIALLY if is it modded into a cycling monstrosity with a crapload of ammo.

Just plain old 10 -5AP, Standard, cheap Gun. = Panther.

[The Jopp]

Size.

Panther Cannons makes The barret rifle look tiny.

[The Jopp]

I just realized something funny.

In the description the PJSS is a Shotgun and in the table it is a hunting rifle...

Which is it?

[Lansdren]

I'm going to agree with the idea a panther is massive but you cant do that with that rifle so its academic really

[Lansdren]

I just realized something funny.

In the description the PJSS is a Shotgun and in the table it is a hunting rifle...

Which is it?

Nope its under sports rifles SR4A pages 319 for decription 321 for table


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PJSS Elephant Rifle: If you want to shoot something big from a
safe distance, this huge double-barreled rifle is your weapon of choice.
Its two barrels can be shot at once with +1 DV and a –1 Recoil modifier.
Includes a rigid stock with shock pad.

[The Jopp]

Nope its under sports rifles SR4A pages 319 for decription 321 for table

My bad, didn't realize at first that there is a PJSS shotgun as well.

[Lansdren]

My bad, didn't realize at first that there is a PJSS shotgun as well.

Null perspiration

Its a easy thing especially as they are in different books.

Only thing I will add is the shotgun is also not going to be able to take those mods as it loads like the rifle.

[DWC]

Someone who wants to use an assault cannon with an extended barrel as a beefed up sniper rifle?

[The Jopp]

Someone who wants to use an assault cannon with an extended barrel as a beefed up sniper rifle?

Yea...that's really going the opposite way...

Still, you only get +10% range.

Still, it IS 1650 meters with no range penalty with a scope...

Add Ex-Explosive rounds and the will be dead before they hear the bang.

[Doc Chase]

Add Ex-Explosive rounds and the will be dead before they hear the bang.

Assault cannons can take rounds other than 'Assault Cannon' rounds?

[The Jopp]

Assault cannons can take rounds other than 'Assault Cannon' rounds?

Doh, another good point...unless you are a weaponsmith with the specialization - Munitions.

[DWC]

I'd always thought your choices were "assault cannon round" or "AV assault cannon round". Admittedly, with SR4s nerf to assault cannon ranges, a Barrett loaded with APDS is sometimes a superior choice, but the assault cannon still has its' uses.

[Doc Chase]

I'd always thought your choices were "assault cannon round" or "AV assault cannon round". Admittedly, with SR4s nerf to assault cannon ranges, a Barrett loaded with APDS is sometimes a superior choice, but the assault cannon still has its' uses.

Sure - Vehicular manslaughter. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[The Jopp]

Sure - Vehicular manslaughter. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I thought that was a Citymaster or similar vehicle one used on go-gangs and pedestrians...

[Doc Chase]

No - the Panther slaughters vehicles - and the mans inside them.

And spirits. A superplast round does a number on those pesky ITNW-armored gits.

[KarmaInferno]

Size.

Panther Cannons makes The barret rifle look tiny.

You realize the elephant gun monstrosity you described is going to be just as "huge"?

Assault cannons aren't THAT big anyhow - heck, remember the original concept of the "assault cannon" WAS the Barrett 50 cal as it was displayed in the movie Robocop. Seriously. It was born pretty much when the original Shadowrun authors were watching Robocop and saw the "Cobra Assault Cannon" (which was really just a modified Barrett) and went, "Holy Crap that's cool." Same thing happened when they saw the Auto-9 pistol from the same movie - it became the Predator Heavy Pistol in Shadowrun. Although it lost the burst fire ability.

It wasn't til later that they started drawing them in the books with a fat barrel. Which still isn't THAT big, more like the diameter of a grenade launcher, just longer.

You make it sound like Assault Cannons are rocket launcher sized. They're not.



-karma

[Mäx]

Just take Ares Vigorous Assault Cannon with shortened barrel, thats definedly smaller then that monstrosity of rifle you builded.

[Yerameyahu]

I'm pretty sure you can't mod the elephant rifle like that anyway, handwaving 'explanations' notwithstanding.

[Traul]

Talking about monstruosities: you can build a double assault cannon to bypass the SS rate. Assault cannon with underbarrel assault cannon.

[CypherDragon]

Talking about monstruosities: you can build a double assault cannon to bypass the SS rate. Assault cannon with underbarrel assault cannon.

Squishy goodness! Almost as much fun as the chunky salsa rules.

I'd hate to see the recoil mod though... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif)

[The Jopp]

Squishy goodness! Almost as much fun as the chunky salsa rules.

I'd hate to see the recoil mod though... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif)

Why? Just mount it on a vehicle and modd the gun with recoil accessories.

[KarmaInferno]

Talking about monstruosities: you can build a double assault cannon to bypass the SS rate. Assault cannon with underbarrel assault cannon.

Yo dawg, we herd ya like shootin assault cannons, so we put an assault cannon in yo assault cannon so you can shoot cannons while ya shoot cannons.




-karma

[X-Kalibur]

Yo dawg, we herd ya like shootin assault cannons, so we put an assault cannon in yo assault cannon so you can shoot cannons while ya shoot cannons.




-karma

Want. Now.