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 Stick n Shock rounds are inadvisable, Bombs frequently use electric triggers. |
 Sep 1 2010, 02:36 AM
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Immortal Elf  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465  |
QUOTE (kzt @ Aug 31 2010, 09:33 PM)  That doesn't make any sense either. You don't need a giant 3-phase generator to set off a blasting cap. And everyone wants blasting caps that blow up when you drive under a high tension power line, right? Why not? I mean, the ones a lot of folks use go off with a hard look. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Sep 1 2010, 02:37 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (kzt @ Aug 31 2010, 08:33 PM) That doesn't make any sense either. You don't need a giant 3-phase generator to set off a blasting cap. And everyone wants blasting caps that blow up when you drive under a high tension power line, right? Right, but a blasting machine is a pretty significant piece of hardware, and generates a fairly strrong current... and Plastic explosives do not detonate without a detonator... so using the designation as "Type of Detonator Required" works... now, the classifications are a bit wonky to be sure, but meh... so what... I can suspend disbelief on that, how about you? |
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Sep 1 2010, 02:43 AM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
I want induction set of explosive would be good for a car bomb with grid link an all just as you hand wave how it reached you from any where.
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Sep 1 2010, 02:50 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Dumori @ Aug 31 2010, 08:43 PM) I want induction set of explosive would be good for a car bomb with grid link an all just as you hand wave how it reached you from any where. Huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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Sep 1 2010, 02:26 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 |
Take Car with gridguide and pilot upgrades.
Fill car with plastic explosives. Tell the pilot to drive it to your destination all nice and normal like. Pilot triggers the explosion when he gets to the destination, feeding electrical charge from the gridguide (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Sep 1 2010, 03:15 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
That's not what it means by 'induction detonator', but… you realize you could just put the bomb in the car, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Sep 1 2010, 03:18 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 |
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Sep 1 2010, 05:55 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
No, more amusing would be making the bomb out of moonshine and watching the victim try to drink his way out of the problem. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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 Sep 4 2010, 03:34 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 40 Joined: 4-September 10 Member No.: 19,006 |
wow, interesting read. Of course, you all know that SnS rounds are real...
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadge...tgun-shell1.htm There has been a recent 'guy with a gun' incident in the UK where the police actually used these. This post has been edited by Zoot: Sep 4 2010, 03:36 PM |
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Sep 10 2010, 03:24 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,272 Joined: 22-June 10 From: Omaha. NE Member No.: 18,746 |
I hate to necro this thread, especially since all I'm doing is proving that everything I said in this thread is wrong but...
Arsenal, Pg 89. QUOTE Tracer rounds can ignite fire-sensitive explosives in a similar way, while both stick-n-shock rounds and taser darts hitting an electrical detonator or circuit will set it off instantly. Arsenal.... why is it always Arsenal... |
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Sep 10 2010, 03:30 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
If they *hit* the *detonator*. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Sep 10 2010, 04:24 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,812 |
Since a M7 or M6 detonator is about the size of a .22 long rifle, good luck with that.
edit: sorry, it is an M7, not M5. |
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Sep 10 2010, 04:26 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
And there are no rules for hit locations, so you'll have to call a shot on a tiny target. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If you (or the enemy) doesn't do that, there's zero chance.
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Sep 10 2010, 11:54 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
IF the explosives are fire-sensitive; most of the standard explosives in SR aren't. All the really powerful explosives aren't.
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Sep 10 2010, 11:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 |
altough they are not likely to explode, they still have a high probability of burning pretty hot... which can trigger another set of complications for whoever is carrying them.
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Sep 10 2010, 05:29 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
QUOTE (Dahrken @ Sep 10 2010, 07:57 AM) altough they are not likely to explode, they still have a high probability of burning pretty hot... which can trigger another set of complications for whoever is carrying them. whereas getting shot with a tracer round is like being tickled with a very soft feather, i suppose? |
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Sep 10 2010, 06:03 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,245 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Running the streets of Southeast Virginia Member No.: 11,548 |
I just like how it mentioned plastic explosives as being able to be set of with magnetic field induction...
I don't know but somehow, that seems like a really bad idea... |
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Sep 10 2010, 06:04 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,325 Joined: 2-April 07 From: The Center of the Universe Member No.: 11,360 |
QUOTE (Jaid @ Sep 10 2010, 01:29 PM) whereas getting shot with a tracer round is like being tickled with a very soft feather, i suppose? Well if your a troll, maybe.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif) |
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Sep 10 2010, 06:34 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
QUOTE (darthmord @ Sep 10 2010, 12:03 PM) I just like how it mentioned plastic explosives as being able to be set of with magnetic field induction... I don't know but somehow, that seems like a really bad idea... Only if you happen to be somewhere where there are magnetic fields. Like power lines... |
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Sep 10 2010, 06:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 |
QUOTE (Jaid @ Sep 10 2010, 07:29 PM) whereas getting shot with a tracer round is like being tickled with a very soft feather, i suppose? Well, at least against the bullet you have your ballistic protection. Against burning explosive in your backpack or pocket you get only 1/2 impact, and it has the potential to ignite your spare magazines... And it can get even worse if the character is carrying a bunch of grenades... |
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Sep 10 2010, 08:48 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,812 |
QUOTE (kzt @ Sep 10 2010, 01:34 PM) Only if you happen to be somewhere where there are magnetic fields. Like power lines... A magnetic field won't set off the explosives themselves, but they could set off an unshunted electric blasting cap. A cell phone or a radio can do the same thing. Whenever i've done a demo range they would always get the field declared a no-fly zone since a helo creates so much static electricity it could set off unshunted caps just by flying over. During the Vietnam war, the Vietcong would point claymore mines upward, with an unshunted blasting cap in the fuse well, in a potential LZ so when the helos would get near to land they set off the mines. |
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Sep 10 2010, 09:38 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
QUOTE (Dragonscript @ Sep 10 2010, 02:48 PM) A magnetic field won't set off the explosives themselves, but they could set off an unshunted electric blasting cap. A cell phone or a radio can do the same thing. Whenever i've done a demo range they would always get the field declared a no-fly zone since a helo creates so much static electricity it could set off unshunted caps just by flying over. Well, there are no blasting caps in SR4 RAW. You just directly apply electricity (or magnetic fields) to the plastic explosive and BOOM! Of course, this is totally insane, but I'm sure the Dev saw it somewhere in the comic book that they stole the rest of the combat mechanics from. |
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Sep 10 2010, 09:39 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Except for the fact the book refers to detonators and blasting caps. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Arsenal p87 is nothing *but* various detonators. SR4A Core does too: p325, Detonator Caps.
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Sep 11 2010, 01:03 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
I want to know why they're using blasting caps and detonators at all.
Modern demolitionists don't use them much. They use DetCord/PrimaCord. Much more reliable and the 'signal' actually travels faster than electricity. -karma |
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Sep 11 2010, 03:36 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
There are rules for that, too.
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