Cyberarms vs Bonelacing, Weird? or Just me? |
Cyberarms vs Bonelacing, Weird? or Just me? |
Sep 6 2010, 10:29 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 26-February 10 Member No.: 18,204 |
So does anyone thing that the Cyberarm Str/2 damage is weird compared to someone with Bone Lacing or Bone Density doing like Str/2 + 3?
I mean.. I am basically hitting you with a metal fist, at least with bone lacing and bone density you are having skin/flesh covering the hand/arm. Shouldn't they be around the same or something? |
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Sep 6 2010, 11:42 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Game balance. It helps not to think about logic.
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Sep 6 2010, 11:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 633 Joined: 16-March 05 From: 51° 16' North 7° 11' East Member No.: 7,168 |
AFAIR cyberarms did cause more damage in SR3. I think +1 / arm or leg.
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Sep 6 2010, 12:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 |
Don't forget that cyberarms come with their own Strength rating whilst bone lacing is in addition to the user's existing strength.
For example, character A has Strength 3 and character B has a cyberarm with Strength 3. Then A gets bone lacing and his DV is now higher than the cyberarm. A cyberarm would need a massive 6-point Strength boost to equate to the bone lacing in DV terms, but then when you consider redlining the whole thing can be explained as the cyberarm's capabilities being reigned in for the user's safety. |
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Sep 6 2010, 12:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 26-August 10 From: Greensboro, NC Member No.: 18,971 |
I think you are right about SR3 doing that.
If it helps, keep in mind that ther cyberarm is going to have plastic, plasteel maybe, as well as the metal bits and pieces to it. It's not going to be solid, as all the gears and sprockets and servos and so on are going to need the room for... doing mechanical... stuff. But hey, one thing I can do better with a cyberarm than a flesh and bone hand- pick up hot things. Or cold things. Or spikey/sharp things. All that plastic/metal isn't going to care about the extreme temps, or bits of glass. |
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Sep 6 2010, 12:31 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
But hey, one thing I can do better with a cyberarm than a flesh and bone hand- pick up hot things. Or cold things. Or spikey/sharp things. All that plastic/metal isn't going to care about the extreme temps, or bits of glass. Just remember to turn of the sensory input from the hand before trying that, or its gonna hurt like hell (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Sep 6 2010, 09:44 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
Quick fix.
Make Armor cost more and increase the DV of attacks made with that limb. |
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Sep 6 2010, 10:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 935 Joined: 2-September 10 Member No.: 19,000 |
It is weird that bone lacing is better by default, but cyberarms CAN be specc'd towards punchin far harder than lacy bones, especially with the rules in Augmentation. If you have a Cyberarm, though, and want to use it for punchin', why not put a shock hand in it? It's like Stick-n-Shock punches!
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Sep 7 2010, 02:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 172 Joined: 26-July 10 Member No.: 18,852 |
I think it is weird that bone lacing at high levels does more damage than a mono sword or spurs... Seems to make the melee skill kinda a waste of time just take unarmed and bonelacing or a shock hand.
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Sep 7 2010, 02:35 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
No, the armor penetration from the other weapons gives you more of an, excuse the pun, edge.
R4 Density is what, 1/2str + 3? That's the same as a monosword, but the sword has AP. And R4 Density does the same damage as a Cyberspur. |
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Sep 7 2010, 03:01 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 30-May 09 From: Germany Member No.: 17,225 |
I would fix that like this (I call it a fix, because i assume it was just an oversight):
Concealed Cyberlimb: Str/2+1 Obvious Cyberlimb: Str/2+2 Obvious with bulk modification: Str/2+3 That makes it comparable to density modified/laced bones. |
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Sep 7 2010, 04:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 617 Joined: 28-May 03 From: Orlando Member No.: 4,644 |
It is weird that bone lacing is better by default, but cyberarms CAN be specc'd towards punchin far harder than lacy bones, especially with the rules in Augmentation. If you have a Cyberarm, though, and want to use it for punchin', why not put a shock hand in it? It's like Stick-n-Shock punches! Well the word from on high is that you do not get both. You either get the damage from the shock hand or the damage from the punch. Not both as that would be stacking the damage and is not allowed by RAW in this case. |
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Sep 7 2010, 04:56 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
I didn't feel the need to bring that up, but it's right. Shock hand as touch or fist as punch, not both.
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Sep 7 2010, 05:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 935 Joined: 2-September 10 Member No.: 19,000 |
Well the word from on high is that you do not get both. You either get the damage from the shock hand or the damage from the punch. Not both as that would be stacking the damage and is not allowed by RAW in this case. I know! The damage from the Shock Hand is more than enough. : ) I'm just calling it a 'Stick'n'Shock punch' because the fluff for Shock Hands says that the induction pads can be on the knuckles. I was never under the impression that it was STR/2 + 6S(e) instead of just 6S(e). 6S(e) is pretty friggin' good (I just made a thread about it). |
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Sep 7 2010, 06:16 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
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Sep 7 2010, 06:35 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
My AI does 7P with 2 reach with his staff. Plus successes.
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Sep 7 2010, 06:59 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
No, the armor penetration from the other weapons gives you more of an, excuse the pun, edge. Don't forget reach either. None of the implanted weapons have reach.R4 Density is what, 1/2str + 3? That's the same as a monosword, but the sword has AP. And R4 Density does the same damage as a Cyberspur. (Your own) Cyberarms cannot be dual-wielded nor can the bone improvements. External weaponry can. With the right maneuver you can even go on full defense while attacking. |
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Sep 7 2010, 07:02 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
With the right maneuver you can even go on full defense while attacking. One of my personal favorites, by the way. It mimics my IRL fighting style. Or I mimic it. Or something. And that's the key to the Grammaton Cleric. Clubs, melee hardened pistols, Pistols, a few Firefight + Krav Maga, Two Weapon Style, and Riposte. Add a troll dualing 1-handed sniper rifles with Longarms instead of Pistols and it's real fun. |
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Sep 7 2010, 07:04 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
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Sep 7 2010, 08:08 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
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Sep 7 2010, 08:19 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
You have never watched Hellsing i guess *snickers* I did and the statement above applies to that anime as well. The same goes for little girls with swords twice as tall and wide as themselves.Also, fuck snipers, use panther assault cannons. No commentOr if you need to conceal them, shotguns with Burst-Fire. I can live with that. |
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Sep 7 2010, 09:05 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
"Needs moar dakka!" - NO EXCEPTIONS! ^^
If you can make it awesome, you can also make it over the top awesome. |
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