Assault canon recoil, So much bang, so little buck Options

[Aerospider]

The Arsenal description of the Ares Vigorous Assault Cannon describes "massive recoil".
Where?

Have I missed something, or is there in fact no recoil at all unless you shell out for the semi-automatic, in which case it's 1 point of recoil doubled to 2 for being a heavy weapon? I don't get it.

[Neraph]

You haven't missed it. Maybe the "massive recoil" is what made it stock a SS weapon.

[Yerameyahu]

That, and you can't exactly fire it one-handed while running, for example. Those restrictions are basically from recoil, just not Recoil.

[jakephillips]

You are correct.

[Kraegor]

Always look at converting to a mini-gun. Much better bang for the buck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Always look at converting to a mini-gun. Much better bang for the buck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

A Minigun Shotgun... Too brutal to contemplate, but nothing creates more bang for your buck in my opinion... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)

[Kruger]

The massive recoil is flavor text, unfortunately, and an attempt to appeal to the common sense of the sillier players who might want to treat it as anything other than the massive anti-material weapon it is. Unfortunately the game doesn't include mechanics to accurately model such weapons.

[jaellot]

Another thing is the Concealability is less than nil. Of course if a character is using an assualt cannon, stealth isn't on the menu...

[Darkeus]

This is where GM common sense comes into play. Of course that thing can kick you to teh ground if not held right and it is not hard to come up with a quick rule to go with the fluff.

[Neraph]

There's an optional rule in Arsenal that firing large weapons like that deals stun damage to the firer unless their body is over a certain number. Or something like that.

[Hagga]

Stating they can fire without a gyromount if they have body 8 or more, and must take stun dv equal to half the dv of the weapon.

[Stingray]

Stating they can fire without a gyromount if they have body 8 or more, and must take stun dv equal to half the dv of the weapon.

That is OPTIONAL rule for heavy weapons..
(rule says is need Body AND Str be 8 or more fire/carry Heavy Weapons)
(That rule means saying GOOBYE! to Ares Alpha/Colt M23..)

[Kruger]

No it wouldn't, because an under-barrel grenade launcher is technically a weapon accessory, not a weapon itself.

Denoting what a "Heavy Weapon" actually is, is something that Arsenal should have specified.

Utilizing this rule simply means exercising common sense. It was horribly underwritten. Anyone should be able to fire a "heavy weapon" using a bipod from the prone or having it braced on something without risking damage. But, at the same time, a shoulder fired grenade launcher isn't some kind of horribly unwieldy beast that would need a gyro mount and shouldn't fall under the same rule as a machinegun or an assault cannon.

[Mäx]

Yeah, that rule is so badly written i can't comprehend how it got added to the book.
Considering that its saying you need superhuman strenght and body to fire a pistol grenade launcher, makes that rule silly beyond belief (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Hagga]

That is OPTIONAL rule for heavy weapons..
(rule says is need Body AND Str be 8 or more fire/carry Heavy Weapons)
(That rule means saying GOOBYE! to Ares Alpha/Colt M23..)

Yes, I'm aware of that. I was responding to the post directly above mine. The one saying "An optional rule in arsenal.."

[Stahlseele]

That, and you can't exactly fire it one-handed while running, for example. Those restrictions are basically from recoil, just not Recoil.

how do you figure?
Trolls can do that just fine O.o

[Sengir]

A Minigun Shotgun...

There is no rule against using flechettes in regular firearms...

[Yerameyahu]

Not everyone's a troll, Stahlseele, and there are plenty of trolls not big and strong enough to do that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Dumori]

Another thing is the Concealability is less than nil. Of course if a character is using an assualt cannon, stealth isn't on the menu...

Not quite you could slap on a scope and a silencer and have a pretty nasty sniper just using heavy weapons not long arms plus gauss-rifle. That's likely a better build full stop with the some being able to be uses like an 250 round AR with no recoil. in fact heavy weapons almost covers all your combat bases bar small and concealable so grab pistols as well if needed automatic could work too but a load of redundancy.

[Stahlseele]

Not everyone's a troll, Stahlseele, and there are plenty of trolls not big and strong enough to do that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

*shrugs* not my problem, i play big and strong trolls for fun like this ^^

[StealthSigma]

The massive recoil is flavor text, unfortunately, and an attempt to appeal to the common sense of the sillier players who might want to treat it as anything other than the massive anti-material weapon it is. Unfortunately the game doesn't include mechanics to accurately model such weapons.

I've always considered the assault cannons to be sniper rifles for use against armored vehicles (or trolls).

[sabs]

I've always considered the assault cannons to be sniper rifles for use against armored vehicles (or trolls).

I think of them as 50 Cal Sniper Rifles.. like this one:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/...ved=0CC0Q9QEwAg

[Matsci]

I consider assult cannons 20mm+ Anti-tank rifles, liek the Lahti L39 or the Type 97.

Massive, Impractical, and about the smallest caliber you are going to find explosive shells as standard (which makes it a cannon)

[Kruger]

I've always considered the assault cannons to be sniper rifles for use against armored vehicles (or trolls).

Pretty much.

http://www.vincelewis.net/20mm.html (video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXLRYf9EV2Y ) Of course, this puppy is a two man (one troll I guess) carry, lol

http://www.strategypage.com/military_photo..._200481522.aspx

[Yerameyahu]

Haha, Stahlseele. I didn't say it was your problem, but obviously not all trolls and basically no one else can 1-hand/unbraced fire an assault cannon.