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[Mäx]

Cant add a gasvent to a grenadelauncher.

[Neraph]

Eh. Fill in your own recoil compensation then. It's been a while since I theorized that weapon (~+8 months).

[Neurosis]

Even if RAW allows a full-auto grenade launcher I wouldn't. Not even for my cyberzombie. : )

And yes, yes I know they exist in real life (Mk. 19), but they're lightyears away from man portable and I can't imagine any amount of futuristic shadowrunny unobtanium would make them so.

Full auto rocket launcher is not possible unless you are like a boat or a plane.

[Mäx]

And yes, yes I know they exist in real life (Mk. 19), but they're lightyears away from man portable and I can't imagine any amount of futuristic shadowrunny unobtanium would make them so.

Man portable they may not be, but Troll portable is totally different think. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[StealthSigma]

I did mention it's a cyberzombie, right? No lack for Strength/Heavy weapons and he does indeed have a gyromount and his current weapon is an FN-Mag 5.

I'm just gonna upgrade to Shrike's autocannon. Wouldn't be fair to turn it on the PCs too much but turning elite mooks into a red mist should make the point of how horrifyingly deadly this guy is.

Sounds like something I would use an Ares Thunderstruck to tackle.

[darthmord]

Even if RAW allows a full-auto grenade launcher I wouldn't. Not even for my cyberzombie. : )

And yes, yes I know they exist in real life (Mk. 19), but they're lightyears away from man portable and I can't imagine any amount of futuristic shadowrunny unobtanium would make them so.

Full auto rocket launcher is not possible unless you are like a boat or a plane.

The full auto grenade launcher they showed on an episode of Future Weapons (a year or two ago) certainly looked man-portable...

[KarmaInferno]

Well, technically even the old Mk 19 is classified as "man-portable".

Meaning, it can be transported by soldiers without the aid of mechanical assistance.





-karma

[Yerameyahu]

Right. The term is interesting, but possibly inaccurate as used in this thread.

man portable — Capable of being carried by one man. Specifically, the term may be used to qualify:
1. Items designed to be carried as an integral part of individual, crew-served, or team equipment of the dismounted soldier in conjunction with assigned duties. Upper weight limit: approximately 14 kilograms (31 pounds.)
2. In land warfare, equipment which can be carried by one man over long distance without serious degradation of the performance of normal duties.

http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord...ifier=ADA439918

[Stahlseele]

In Shadowrun, everything up to and including motorcycles is Troll portable.
Or Drake portable. Or Centaur portable.

[Social Reject]

Even if RAW allows a full-auto grenade launcher I wouldn't. Not even for my cyberzombie. : )

And yes, yes I know they exist in real life (Mk. 19), but they're lightyears away from man portable and I can't imagine any amount of futuristic shadowrunny unobtanium would make them so.

Why not? Everything is tiny in Shadowrun, and it wouldn't take much to make a portable grenade launcher automatic. Probably wouldn't even kick that hard.

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/images/m32/M32.jpg

Then if you imagine that they will be able to make the grenades smaller than 40mm...

Horribly munchkin. But when has that ever stopped anybody?

[Yerameyahu]

I thought they already made 20mm (and 25) grenades, like decades ago. Hell, with airburst. That's not the point. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Social Reject]

They do. I just meant imagine in conjunction with a weapon like the one in the picture and with full automatic capability.

As to 25mm programmable grenades? Well, the tech isn't perfect yet, but with fifty years or so and a Smartlink, a system like this could be brutal:

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/i...och-hk-xm25.jpg

[Dumori]

Right now we seam to have micro grenades effective the size of a 50. round lookign at our GL pistol. Also I think theres a 20 round drum GL already its a fav of mine to add under my MGs.

[Paul Kauphart]

AA-12 Automatic shotgun, loaded with HE Frag 12 slugs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqucgAIFEyM...feature=related

Effectively a full auto mini grenade launcher...

[Neraph]

That's a full-auto shotgun, with virtually no recoil. Pretty cool.

[Neurosis]

AA-12 Automatic shotgun, loaded with HE Frag 12 slugs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqucgAIFEyM...feature=related

Effectively a full auto mini grenade launcher...

Oh yes, I forgot about this.

Someone should stat Frag-12 for Shadowrun. : )

Would it to Frag Grenades be as Stick'n'Shock is to tasers?

[Yerameyahu]

It might just be EX-Ex, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) It depends on if there's a radius. The Frag-12 comes in regular, extra crispy (frag), and armor-piercing. The only one *maybe* intended to have a radius is the fragmentation one, I would guess. Details aren't instantly available online, so I gave up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[bluedao]

Did some one say plasma... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1q_rRicAwI
Right now their prototype ship mounted weapons but I can see them being troll size by 2072.

Also keep in mind allot of the modern restrictions go out the window thanks to magic. I'm talking magically super cooled materials for starters.

[KarmaInferno]

That's a full-auto shotgun, with virtually no recoil. Pretty cool.

Just because the scene is damn nifty, even it they exaggerate things a bit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj_QxpJh8JE



-karma

[Neraph]

Did some one say plasma... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1q_rRicAwI
Right now their prototype ship mounted weapons but I can see them being troll size by 2072.

Also keep in mind allot of the modern restrictions go out the window thanks to magic. I'm talking magically super cooled materials for starters.

That's not plasma - that's a railgun. It's just being propelled funny.

They do have laser guns though.

[Ed_209a]

That's not plasma - that's a railgun. It's just being propelled funny.

They do have laser guns though.

It is a railgun, and all that flame was from plasma, it just isn't a plasma weapon. The plasma is like the muzzle flash of a conventional gun.

All railguns have some plasma going on because of the tremendous current arcing from the rails to the projectile. It is enough current that most railguns damage themselves as you fire them. Many are rebuilt after each shot, because the rail is so damaged from the plasma arcing.

For this reason, military railguns are possible right now, just not practical. (Because those picky tank commanders want more than one shot between overhauls...)

[Dumori]

It is a railgun, and all that flame was from plasma, it just isn't a plasma weapon. The plasma is like the muzzle flash of a conventional gun.

All railguns have some plasma going on because of the tremendous current arcing from the rails to the projectile. It is enough current that most railguns damage themselves as you fire them. Many are rebuilt after each shot, because the rail is so damaged from the plasma arcing.

For this reason, military railguns are possible right now, just not practical. (Because those picky tank commanders want more than one shot between overhauls...)

Yeah rail erosion is a bitch the most logical idea was some thing like the metal storm system stack ammo and rails in one load so the last shot also kills the rails but that's only practical for rifle sized systems and currently getting the power to a system like that is difficult to say the least. Then there are ammo feed issues. They are still just possible as is, in a naval engagement with the range and pure power plus ships could have the ability to rearm the rails but it's still not that good.

[Neraph]

It is a railgun, and all that flame was from plasma, it just isn't a plasma weapon. The plasma is like the muzzle flash of a conventional gun.

Ahh, I misinterpreted what he was saying.