Type-O vampire, somewhat munckinny rules question Options

[Laodicea]

Type-O system makes all standard bioware count as delta ware, right out of the box, without the high cost and availability of deltaware. Nice.

Vampires have to be implanted with deltaware due mostly to their regeneration power and unique physiology.

So, can you make a vampire(or other infected) character and give them type-o system, and take biowares at chargen?

[Dahrken]

No. Type-O does not transform normal-grade bioware into deltaware, it simply means you loose Essence as if the bioware in question was Delta-grade

When you turn into a vampire, your DNA and immune system are seriously overwriten by the HMVV and you eject anything that is implanted into you. IHMO even Deltaware implanted prior to the transformation.

Once you are transformed, if you want 'ware you need "true" Deltaware, speficially attuned to your vampiric physiology, and cannot re-use whatever you ejected.

[sabs]

Not to mention, after buying stats, and spending 100BP on becoming a vampire. Where are you finding points for Type-O and money for bioware (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[X-Kalibur]

Negative qualities for the Type-O and a rating 6 group contact for a bunch of bleeding heart philanthropists to donate money to them for Bioware.

am i doin it rite?

[Laodicea]

Well, if the GM is allowing In-debt(which they shouldnt), that's an easy source of money & BP.

Yes, the character would end up very very skills-lite, which isn't a good thing. I wouldn't consider it OP simply because of this.

[Yerameyahu]

Well, 30k isn't 'money for bioware'. That's money for ammo, maybe. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Laodicea]

It'll buy you R2 muscle aug & toner.

[KarmaInferno]

No. Type-O does not transform normal-grade bioware into deltaware, it simply means you loose Essence as if the bioware in question was Delta-grade

When you turn into a vampire, your DNA and immune system are seriously overwriten by the HMVV and you eject anything that is implanted into you. IHMO even Deltaware implanted prior to the transformation.

Once you are transformed, if you want 'ware you need "true" Deltaware, speficially attuned to your vampiric physiology, and cannot re-use whatever you ejected.

That is a very reasonable GM interpretation of the Rules as Intended.

It is not, however, what is actually written.

That said, it's a grey enough area that the proper answer is probably "ask your GM."



-karma

[jakephillips]

That is a very reasonable GM interpretation of the Rules as Intended.

It is not, however, what is actually written.

That said, it's a grey enough area that the proper answer is probably "ask your GM."



-karma

I agree with the psudo science of it.

[Elfenlied]

Well, technically, characters with Type-O Biosystem treat all standard, non-cultured bioware as deltaware. So technically, yes, your Type-O Vampire can implant bioware.

Note, however, that they only have 5 points of essence to play with, so that might make it rather tough to play with. That said, I have played a Type-O Vampire Adept before, and she performed alright, although not spectacular. You're just too starved on BP/Karma.

[Dahrken]

If you happen to find a GM you can sweet talk into allowing this kind of abuse, just remember one thing : you are not only full of freely transplantable organs since the HMVV in your system requires the Infection power to actually infect someone, but you now regenerate them...

[CeeJay]

If you happen to find a GM you can sweet talk into allowing this kind of abuse, just remember one thing : you are not only full of freely transplantable organs since the HMVV in your system requires the Infection power to actually infect someone, but you now regenerate them...

Why go on runs when you can live comfortably by selling one of your kidneys every other week?
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-CJ

[Dahrken]

You, or some not-so-nice guy from Tamanous...

[Elfenlied]

Why go on runs when you can live comfortably by selling one of your kidneys every other week?
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-CJ

By the same token, no SINner mage would ever have to run the shadows, since working as a researcher/personal mage for an exec is just so much more lucrative.

[darthmord]

Why go on runs when you can live comfortably by selling one of your kidneys every other week?
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-CJ

Except that your organs would have the Vampire virus in them...

[Dahrken]

Not really a problem, as the vector of the disease is the Infection power...

[Karoline]

Note, however, that they only have 5 points of essence to play with, so that might make it rather tough to play with.

5 points of essence using only delta bioware? I think you'd need to get just about every single piece of ware in the book, and then head over to augmentation and grab a bunch of stuff from that before you'd really need to worry about burning up all your essence.

[Tiralee]

Erm, refresh my memory, but don't vamps get all weird if they lose essence (1 point a week, wasn't it?) And unless you've got igors on tap, you're going to leave a blood trail to yourself sooner or later.
Frankly, this reeks of "ask the GM".

-Tir.

[KarmaInferno]

Not really a problem, as the vector of the disease is the Infection power...

Yeah, that's one of the weird things about HMHVV. If the infected guy doesn't want to infect you, you can get a blood transfusion from him and you won't get the disease.

Unless you do the sensible thing and house-rule it, of course.



-karma

[Laodicea]

Type-O system is a weird quality. You can't take it and also be a mage or mystic adept. Sure, that would probably be overpowered, but statistically speaking, SOMEONE with magic will have O-type blood. You can take it and be an Adept, but its costing you literally every point of positive qualities you can have at chargen. If you make a type-o adept you cannot take restricted gear, which makes the bioware available to you rather limited. No suprathyroid gland for you!

As far as I can tell, any type-o system character is not well optimized at chargen. They have a great deal of potential if your GM is handing out lost of cash or free biowares.

All of that said, It's still a cool quality, and would be kind of weird and fun with a vampire, as they are a rather blood-focused people. He'd be like the vampire messiah or something.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

By the same token, no SINner mage would ever have to run the shadows, since working as a researcher/personal mage for an exec is just so much more lucrative.

Probably not more lucrative, but surely more safe. Really, runners are the kind of people who get 10k for a 2-4 days job, while wageslavers must work literally 24-7 to gain half or even less than that. Of course working as wageslave means you have, in average, bullets flying over your head once a month when shadowrunners break into your workspace, while runners have bullets flying over their heads at least once a week.

[Yerameyahu]

They do not literally work 24-7. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

They do not literally work 24-7. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

As someone said, Shadowrun labor laws should be as good as the labor laws from the begining of the 20th century, pretty much none. It is a dystopian world after all. So, for me, wageslaves work 24-7 but receive "perks" (not living in the barrens, hot food, hot water and a roof).

[KarmaInferno]

As someone said, Shadowrun labor laws should be as good as the labor laws from the begining of the 20th century, pretty much none. It is a dystopian world after all. So, for me, wageslaves work 24-7 but receive "perks" (not living in the barrens, hot food, hot water and a roof).

So they never ever stop for sleep and food and going to the bathroom?

Gosh.




-karma

[TheScrivener]

Why, when you have catheters and IV nutrients. No need to ever leave your cubicle/apartment (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

I think the Type O System's pseudoscience and the HMVV pseudoscience don't quite mesh, honestly; the transformation of the body's system in the infection process would eliminate the Type O cells. Of course, with GM approval you could be the one vampire who *doesn't* lose the Owen-type non-allergenic cells, making you even rarer... and thus the target of organleggers and paracritter bio-researchers just as soon as the word gets out.
My approach to what folks would call a "broken" concept is usually to give the character headaches proportional to the utility of the overpowered-ness, and use it to drive story. This "vampire messiah," IMO, is what Thompson might call "one of God's own prototypes; too weird to live, too rare to die."
Near-literally in this case, with the regenerating uberflesh.