[X] My Assistant

[Adam]

(Yes, those are really SR devs)

A proofreader is not a Developer; the word Developer has specific meaning in the context of Shadowrun credits.

If a proofreader says something is wrong, and the Developer says it's correct, the Developer wins. Is the Developer always correct? No. But trust me, I've gone over pages and pages of proofreader notes, and they aren't always correct either.

A proofreader portraying something as "errata" -- as game fans understand errata to be, which is "corrections" -- is disingenuous if the developer does not agree.

Nope. Generally speaking, errata are errors. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Words left out, 'typos', missing page numbers…

Errata, from FASA through to Catalyst, can and has included rule changes.

[Udoshi]

I thought errata was rules changes. Not in all cases, but generally speaking.

Errata is the 'oops, we fucked up file'. Typos, imbalanced or innacurate rules, page numbers referencing to wrong pages, missing information. Errata is basically a patch program for a book.

[Yerameyahu]

I didn't say they didn't, Adam. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Neraph said that 'errata, generally speaking, is rules changes'. If we look the errata documents, we see mostly errors being corrected. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Acme]

This is what really annoys me about SR4.5.

There's a ton of rules changes that aren't in the listed changes. There's even two versions of 4a itself - the PDF and Print versions are different. Yes, really - Ultrasound vision enhancement capacity and Bow rules(yes, these were changed -twice-)

No, what really ticks me off about it is that there are 3 versions of the game, reprints with up to date rules, an you have to buy a new fucking book just to get the errata.

Catalyst writes some shitty rules, puts errata out internally, and the devs have to leak it on dumpshock, because CGL is too lazy to do it themselves.

(Yes, those are really SR devs)

So we have out devoted fanbase, who loves the game and debating the rules.... all using different versions of it. Because catalyst is too lazy to put errata files out on the internet so everyone can be on the same page.

So yeah, for me at least, SR4.5 is apt. Yes, its insulting. Yes, its annoying. And yes, I think its earned it, because while SR4 in its entirety might be a new, nice, shiny system that works rather excellently.... when you peel back the finish, dig into the mechanics, and try to keep track of all the frustrating, unlisted changes...

Yeah, $R4.5. Thank you stahl, I think I'm going to be using that in the future.

Oh yes, because the devs of Shadowrun are a shadowy cabal, plotting to intentionally screw up books so you have to go out and buy new ones, using that money to fuel their machines to rule the world.

[Yerameyahu]

Hehe. There is never a good reason to use a dollar sign for an S. Not Microsoft, not even Kesha. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Grinder]

Agree with Stahlseele. I only called it 4.5 or SR$A because it riled up some people I hated here.

That's great. Simply fucking great. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohplease.gif)

[Acme]

Hmm, well at least some of the honest truth is coming out.. I had hoped that there would be honest reason but doing it for lulz...

[Method]

I think this thread has exceeded its usefulness.

Locking.