Program Optimization, How does it work? |
Program Optimization, How does it work? |
Sep 12 2010, 06:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 21-March 10 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 18,325 |
If I add the option Optimization (Unwired pg. 115), does it add to the program's rating for tests or does it simply allow the program to function higher than the normal restrictions set by the System rating?
The situation I'm currently thinking of is adding Optimization to a rating 4 Autosoft. The system rating for the vehicle is already at 6. So if I gave the Autosoft Optimization rating 3, would it add 3 dice to tests with that Autosoft, or just be a useless add-on? |
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Sep 12 2010, 07:10 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 30-May 09 From: Germany Member No.: 17,225 |
First: You can only give a program half as many program option as it has rating. So for a autosoft 4 it is max 2 optimizations.
Second:It is useless. Optimization does not give extra rating. It just ADDS itself to the SYSTEM to determine what programs CAN run on it. For example you have a System of 4 and a Programm Rating 7 with three points Optimization: 4 (System) + 3 (Optimization) = 7 , so max rating 7 for the optimized program. |
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Sep 12 2010, 07:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 21-March 10 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 18,325 |
OK, thanks for the clarification.
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Sep 12 2010, 07:18 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651 |
Optimization insulates you from system degradation from the Matrix Attack: Nuke action. Its not at all worthless.
It also allows things like Encryption 6 on a rating 3 commlink. |
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Sep 12 2010, 07:23 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 30-May 09 From: Germany Member No.: 17,225 |
Oh, don't misinterpret me: Worthless just in this example. Optimization fucking RULES. You need optimized programs when you are running around with a comlink and hack things on the fly against Spiders hanging on their nexus with military programs.
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Sep 12 2010, 08:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 21-March 10 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 18,325 |
Right, for what the group will be using it for (autosofts on a vehicle with a System rating of 6), it doesn't seem like it would be worth it.
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Sep 12 2010, 11:39 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
Optimization insulates you from system degradation from the Matrix Attack: Nuke action. Its not at all worthless. Yeah, nuke is a great way to mess up a drone since it doesn't need a high level hack action like spoofing admin commands or hacking in with the privs to lock another guy out. If you're hacking on the fly to bust something up, Nuke is the goto option. At the same time, if you Nuke a drone's system down from 6 to 3, all that Opt will do is let the drone function at full capabilities for one more IP before you crash the bejesus out of it. Worth the 300¥? Not too likely. But hey, depends on your cash stream I guess... |
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Sep 12 2010, 02:26 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Does System reduction reduce the limit of programs running on the node? I know that Response reduction does not, but I can't recall if program ratings are also based on 'base System' instead of current. Rules reference, please. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Sep 13 2010, 07:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 164 Joined: 22-November 05 From: Omaha, western UCAS Member No.: 7,993 |
SR4a, p 222: "System limits the rating of programs running on the device, and sets the limit on most devices for the number of programs that can be run without a Response drop."
SR4a, p 232: "The System rating of the device limits the rating of the program. A program operates at its own rating or the System of the device, whichever is lower." UW, p 111 states Nuke attacks have "the appropriate effects on Matrix initiative, processor limits, and subscription limits." So, it looks like it will accelerate Response reduction from too many programs (processor limit) but it doesn't mention the program rating limit. RAW seems vague here. |
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Sep 13 2010, 07:28 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
That's what I thought. :/ Response and System degradation seem to really have very little effect, given that program rating is the really important thing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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Sep 13 2010, 08:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,353 |
Oh, don't misinterpret me: Worthless just in this example. Optimization fucking RULES. You need optimized programs when you are running around with a comlink and hack things on the fly against Spiders hanging on their nexus with military programs. Can I get specifics here? The way I can see this working is if you program some crazy high programs and then use optimization so you can run them at lower system levels. So if you made a rating 12 program with optimization 6 you could run it at "full blast." However I believe this is illegal (due to rating caps) or at the very least unlikely to be allowed by the GM. If this is not the case, how do you use optimization? |
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Sep 14 2010, 02:35 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
If you'd good at programming, but poor and/or bad at hardware, then you might prefer to run optimized programs, especially on things like drones. It would also make your programs more 'nuke-tolerant' *if* your GM rules that current System is the limit (instead of base System). Finally, and I'm not sure about this one, it can make your independent Agents more able to run good programs even if they're running on someone else's crappy node. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Sep 14 2010, 02:51 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 30-May 09 From: Germany Member No.: 17,225 |
I personally think that there is some inconsistency with the program ratings. 7+ is described as the cutting edge, military stuff. But it is too easy to program and run that stuff per the rules. So yeah, a rating 12 program should easily be possible (if rare). And optimization should be included in a lot of those programs to allow for use on portable devices. (Another inconsitency: Nexus not man portable... should be, because the processing power can be replicated by comlinks... which are 0-weight items in essence).
Also very high ratings are desperatly needed to balance against technomancers. (Not the i WANT everybody to be the same in the matrix... but hackers which DEEEEP pockets should at least have one advantage). |
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Sep 14 2010, 03:47 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
(Another inconsitency: Nexus not man portable... should be, because the processing power can be replicated by comlinks... which are 0-weight items in essence). Nexi are listed as being roughly comparable to a modern day desktop computer. I wouldn't say that was "not man portable". Not especially convenient, yes, especially in a firefight, but definitely you should be able to carry one around. If a hacker/TM has a Nexus, is there any reason they couldn't just stash it in their car or whatever and run their hacking operations through it instead of just being limited to their commlink? -karma |
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Sep 14 2010, 03:50 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Well, sure. People do that all the time. Still, while they're 'man portable', they're not 'portable' devices. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) They really aren't vastly better, though. They excel in a couple specific ways.
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Sep 16 2010, 07:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 164 Joined: 22-November 05 From: Omaha, western UCAS Member No.: 7,993 |
Nexi are listed as being roughly comparable to a modern day desktop computer. I wouldn't say that was "not man portable". Not especially convenient, yes, especially in a firefight, but definitely you should be able to carry one around. If a hacker/TM has a Nexus, is there any reason they couldn't just stash it in their car or whatever and run their hacking operations through it instead of just being limited to their commlink? -karma UW p 196 says "the size of a desktop computer or larger." The picture on p. 50 shows three-meter-high monoliths looking like old 90s servers. I'd say that anything from a Retail Hub nexus on up would probably not even be installable in a vehicle. One of the two cheaper nexi I'd allow to be vehicle carried, but dependent on the power supply. Plus the heat management would probably be intense; the vehicle would need to be stopped with the A/C going full blast to keep the thing from overheating. Even a standard modern desktop PC isn't useful without an outside power source. |
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Sep 16 2010, 08:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 347 Joined: 28-June 10 Member No.: 18,765 |
I have a friend who would run his desk top computer off the power outlet in his minivan. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/upsidedown.gif)
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Sep 16 2010, 10:19 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
UW p 196 says "the size of a desktop computer or larger." The picture on p. 50 shows three-meter-high monoliths looking like old 90s servers. I'd say that anything from a Retail Hub nexus on up would probably not even be installable in a vehicle. One of the two cheaper nexi I'd allow to be vehicle carried, but dependent on the power supply. Plus the heat management would probably be intense; the vehicle would need to be stopped with the A/C going full blast to keep the thing from overheating. Even a standard modern desktop PC isn't useful without an outside power source. The full quote is "Most nexi are the size of a desktop computer tower or larger—too large to carry comfortably in place of a commlink, but possible to pull on a cart, load onto a drone, or carry in a vehicle." So we know they're vehicle portable, and in fact a bit later one of the more powerful stock retail Nexi, the Evo Mobile Terminus, is specifically made to be field-usable installed in vans. And we all know how accurate (NOT!) looking at the artwork in Shadowrun is. Oh, and I just spotted something kinda funny. The Evo Mobile Terminus nexus is Availability 14. Slightly difficult to get. Unless, of course, you buy a Roving Hub medium drone (Unwired pg 198-199). Which comes with an Evo Mobile Terminus built in, at Availability 6. -karma |
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Sep 16 2010, 01:11 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Honestly, you could carry a desktop computer on your back, *un*-comfortably. Presumably, nexi need a real power source, instead of the fairy dust that runs commlinks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) That's just fluff, though. Otherwise, the 'better' the nexus, the bigger.
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