 What was Leonardo?, Can someone explain that meta plot? |
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 Sep 28 2010, 01:02 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Near my daughters, Lansdale PA Member No.: 6,668  |
He appeared in several books/stories but was he really an immortal elf and really Leonardo Divinci or was it a scam?
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Sep 28 2010, 01:07 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,179 Joined: 10-June 10 From: St. Louis, UCAS/CAS Border Member No.: 18,688 |
The Ancient Files suggest he was an IE, and if he wasn't actually da Vinci he certainly was smart enough to fit the moniker. Possibly eaten by a Great, I think Lofwyr.
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Sep 28 2010, 01:14 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Mmmmmmmmm, brain food!
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Sep 28 2010, 01:21 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,179 Joined: 10-June 10 From: St. Louis, UCAS/CAS Border Member No.: 18,688 |
Nomf nomf nomf.
Anyway, here is the pertinent article on Leonardo. There's enough circumstancial evidence in my eyes to say that he is/was an IE, depending on whether or not he made a better entree than engineer. |
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Sep 28 2010, 01:41 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,009 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Paris, France Member No.: 9,466 |
He appeared in Black Madonna, which is Da Vinci Code but set in the Sixth World and published years before (and it has the Vatican sending nukes).
[ Spoiler ] The problem was that the authors went too far for the line developper (IIRC it was still Tom Dowd back then) who had to wrote this short story (that I can't seem to find in English) with Lofwyr getting inside Leonardo's place, giving another version of the facts and destroying everything, in order to somehow retcon things. Leonardo has been somehow able to copy the otaku's ability (he could access the Matrix without a cyberdeck) and the last time I've heard of him, rumor has it he wad working in SK's secret lab on the North Pole. EDIT : Oh, and his works probably helped build Deus. And if the book implied that he was Leonardo Da Vinci, the short story had Lofwyr say that he wasn't (that he just admires him). |
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Sep 28 2010, 02:10 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
He's deff an IE but I though he was at the south pole.
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Sep 28 2010, 02:11 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
Been so long since I've read Black Madonna or any of the follow up stuff. I vaguely remember the follow up story too but can't recall either were it was.
I'm not real clear on timeline either though. After Black Madonna he ended up at Renraku for a short time? Then ended up at SK? Wasn't Deus created before his involvment? Was the "Deck" in the Imago mission connected to his tech? EDIT: Sorry it was the short lived elf Quicksilver that made the bio-chips. |
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Sep 28 2010, 03:02 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,179 Joined: 10-June 10 From: St. Louis, UCAS/CAS Border Member No.: 18,688 |
QUOTE (Prime Mover @ Sep 28 2010, 02:11 PM)  Been so long since I've read Black Madonna or any of the follow up stuff. I vaguely remember the follow up story too but can't recall either were it was. I'm not real clear on timeline either though. After Black Madonna he ended up at Renraku for a short time? Then ended up at SK? Wasn't Deus created before his involvment? Was the "Deck" in the Imago mission connected to his tech? EDIT: Sorry it was the short lived elf Quicksilver that made the bio-chips. Nnnnoooo, I think the timeline was Black Madonna - Work for Renraku - Followup where Lanier gets to Renraku, they make a bunch of breakthroughs, get sued, Leo gets wrecked and Renraku's left holding the bag - Deus. He had a hand in the SCIRE project, but it was already trucking along I think. It would've been interesting to make the Arcology the caer he wanted. |
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Sep 28 2010, 04:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 993 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 313 |
Leo blackmailed all big 8 mega's at one time looking for money, Renraku accepted his deal.
The shadowtalk in the book is that Renraku was turning out a lot of advanced tech, that they didnt even seem to understand. this hardware plus code from a rogue AI is what created Deus. |
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Sep 28 2010, 04:16 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 30-August 10 Member No.: 18,986 |
Additionally, in Renraku Arcology Shutdown (p. 85) it stated that Room 1835 of the Renraku Arcology (mentioned in Dunkelzahn's Will) was a UV node created and inserted by Leonardo to watch for the development of an AI though exact details weren't mentioned.
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Sep 28 2010, 05:25 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,756 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
QUOTE (Blade @ Sep 28 2010, 03:41 PM) The problem was that the authors went too far for the line developper (IIRC it was still Tom Dowd back then) who had to wrote this short story (that I can't seem to find in English) with Lofwyr getting inside Leonardo's place, giving another version of the facts and destroying everything, in order to somehow retcon things. The text you're thinking of is Technobabel chapter 29, written by Steve Kenson.QUOTE (Blade @ Sep 28 2010, 03:41 PM) Leonardo has been somehow able to copy the otaku's ability (he could access the Matrix without a cyberdeck) and the last time I've heard of him, rumor has it he wad working in SK's secret lab on the North Pole. Antarctica actually. This is suggested in Dragons of the Sixth World, pages 102 and 105.
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Sep 29 2010, 01:54 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
What was Leonardo? The author's version of Tom Bombadil? [j/k]
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Sep 29 2010, 02:02 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
where's AH when we need him?
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