Analyze Skillwire, Cheesy build question Options

[Laodicea]

So you make a mage or mystic adept. You give them skillwires rating 5 using Restricted Gear. This costs exactly 1 essence. You can still cast force 4-5 spells without overcasting. You take the Analyze Device spell, and a force 4-5 sustaining focus, using another Restricted Gear quality.

You pirate every skillwire available.
You cast analyze device on whatever object you're trying to use. You could potentially have a gun and just sustain analyze device for it until you need to use something else.

Assuming 4-5 hits on your analyze device spell test, your dice pool for nearly EVERYTHING is now 9-10+linked attribute.

Is there anything that would prevent this build from working well? Obviously you have to take a complex action and potentially drain to switch devices.

Thoughts? Fears? Recommendations?

[Summerstorm]

Skillwire are not a device anymore after you implant them. They are a part of you. (Maybe flimsy... BUT DON'T you DARE to disagree *g*)

Damn, that spell alone is total bullshit. How does understanding something make you that much better at using it?

[Laodicea]

Perhaps the topic title was misleading. I don't mean to actually cast analyze device on the skillwire implant. Although that could be very clever and game breaking if your GM allowed it. I literally meant to just have the skillwire rating 5 to possess every skill at once, and then cast analyze device on whatever object you're trying to use at that moment.

[Yerameyahu]

You would need 4, 5, 6+ hits just to beat most Object Resistances, of course. Do the net hits start counting *after* that?

Given the Force (and Focus) required and the trouble of changing devices, it's not that good (or bad). Better than a kick in the teeth, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[sabs]

You don't analyze the skillwires
you analyze:
The Gun
The Commlink
The Car

It's pretty ludicrous really.

[Yerameyahu]

I mean, you do have to stop between *everything* you do and cast a high-Force spell into a high-Force Sustaining Focus. In Shadowrun, it's almost never enough to be good with *one* piece of gear at a time. You need to be good with 6 or so at once. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I agree that the spell is pretty bullshit. I mean, if you do it on a commlink, is that +X to all Matrix actions?

[Laodicea]

I wish I could re-title the post. The build name was posted in the same spirit as the build names used in GuildWars. I'm not actually saying to analyze the skillwires. Although you arguably could, that would be stupid. The spell is stupid enough as it is.

[pbangarth]

You would need 4, 5, 6+ hits just to beat most Object Resistances, of course. Do the net hits start counting *after* that?

Given the Force (and Focus) required and the trouble of changing devices, it's not that good (or bad). Better than a kick in the teeth, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I don't think the Object Resistance uses up hits in its Threshold, any more than the Threshold in Increase Reflexes does, or Hardened Armor uses up weapon hits. It just means you need a minimum to do anything at all. If you surpass that minimum, you have the full effect.

EDIT: Ah. Sorry. I just actually read the Analyze Device spell. Net hits only.

[Summerstorm]

Hm... did i skip something again? Ok... well, let's see:

There is possible abuse with that spell on "low-OR" devices though. Is a knife a device? Maybe a bow? Maybe a crude lockpick (Or 2-3?) Maybe just a stick (going into a fight with a "club" and +6 dice on attack and defense...)

I mean.. Device just means "machine" OR tool,yes?

[Yerameyahu]

It's 'device or equipment'. Which is a whole problem by itself, but oh well. They might as well just say 'object'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[sabs]

A modern Knife or a lockpick would have a threshhold of 4.

Here is the table

Natural Objects 1
(Trees, Soil, Unprocessed Water)
Manufactures Low-Tech Objects and Materials 2
(Brick, Leather, Simple Plastics)
Manufactured High-Tech Objects and Materials 4
(Advanced Plastics, alloys, Electronic Equipment)
Highly Processed Objects 6+
(Computers, Complex Toxic Wastes, Drones, Vehicles)

[Yerameyahu]

Like I said, 4, 5, 6+ Threshold for basically anything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Unless you're using bricks.

[Dumori]

You would need 4, 5, 6+ hits just to beat most Object Resistances, of course. Do the net hits start counting *after* that?

Given the Force (and Focus) required and the trouble of changing devices, it's not that good (or bad). Better than a kick in the teeth, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yes they do OR is all or nothing its quite mad at times. I quite sure all the hits are still net hits due t how spell casting works. As powerbolt hit just as hard at foce 6 beating OR or not. Same nethit terms.

[Summerstorm]

A modern Knife or a lockpick would have a threshhold of 4.

That is why you are not using a modern knife. Also, i know the table.

But with some creativity: Use an obsidian knife (out of one whole stone) Sharp as hell, still only OR2. Overcast a Analyze spell and take all those beautiful hits and knifefight an melee-adept with weapon focus to death. *g*

[Yerameyahu]

Now you're just making things up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Also, there's a reason we don't use obsidian knives: they suck.

[Doc Chase]

Now you're just making things up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Also, there's a reason we don't use obsidian knives: they suck.

Wonderfully sharp, but brittle. Better off using an actual glass knife, taking ranks in Blades(Knives), throwing(Spears), Pilot Ground Vehicle(Motorcycle), and Pilot Watercraft (Kayak).

Just watch out for skateboards.

[Yerameyahu]

Indeed, Doc Chase. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Stahlseele]

you can, furthermore, combine this with the built that lets you obtain any skill soft in the books for 10% of the listing price in 2 days game time . .

[Doc Chase]

you can, furthermore, combine this with the built that lets you obtain any skill soft in the books for 10% of the listing price in 2 days game time . .

Yeah, but I don't know of any skillsoft in Being Badass(Inuit). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Dumori]

Yeah, but I don't know of any skillsoft in Being Badass(Inuit). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Its etiquette(badass) Inuit is just a racial issue that might also have some crunch modifers in some cases.

[sabs]

Yeah, but I don't know of any skillsoft in Being Badass(Inuit). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Dodge 4 + Personalized + DIMAP + PlusCode R3
Melee Combat 4 + same

Pretty much all you need :0

[Dahrken]

If I'm not mistaken it would be Aleut rather than Inuit.

[Yerameyahu]

Whatever. At some point, all Badassery converges anyway.

[Doc Chase]

If I'm not mistaken it would be Aleut rather than Inuit.

You probably aren't. I'll have to look at my book again - I start reading about the Deliverator and just wish my car could be that badass. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Yerameyahu]

I wish my pizza could be that badass. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)