One Last Little Peek, And other broken thoughts Options

[sabs]

See, I read the High Magic stuff, and REALLY liked it.
I think it's cause Ancient History, like me, firmly believes in the ED/SR cross over.

[Stahlseele]

MOST people do . .
Biggest complaint mostly anybody has with the ED/SR Crossover is the fact that it goes on and on about being beyond the comprehension of any single shadowrunner and has no place in a game that is supposed to focus on much smaller scale stuff happening, which the PC's can actually influence . . Immoral Elves and Greater Dragons doing it all and the such . .
The biggest PROBLEM is, that it's close to impossible to have one without the other it seems . .
If we could manage to get a disconnect between these two, nobody would bat an eye at this stuff but would probably welcome it as a bit of nice background story to the whole setting . .

[Doc Chase]

See, I hear that and then I go back and read the Survival of the Fittest campaign module for 3rd.

The Rite of Succession for all the Great Dragons is entirely, entirely done through Shadowrunning teams.

Even rats can change the world. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Stahlseele]

i know this.
but this is because the dragons had to follow certain rules . .
with the enemy, it's the simple fact that what needs to be done is basically impossible to do for anybody else . .
if the runners are not used to do little stuff all around the globe to funnel mana in a specific way in a globally effective geomantic rite, then what are they going to do?
and at that point, anybody else could do it too . . and even then, it's not really the runners doing the important stuff . .
it's STILL the named plot devices. they just need a bit of help with it . .

Last time the rats changed the world, they were the ones to carry the fleas who spread the plague ^^

[sabs]

I actually think that the ED cross over stuff WOULD be in the shadows right now.

Deniable assets that everyone thinks are mentally unstable in the first place?
Why in Passions green Earth, would you NOT use them for the early stages?

Right now the Dragons are getting their claws wet. They're trying to figure out what the hell Humanity's been up to for the last 5000 years. They're trying to figure out what the level of technology is going to do to change the rules of the game.

The Immortal Elves are doing the same thing, because they /really/ want to survive the Scourge, when it happens.

Each Dragon is trying to setup his personal power base. And some of these dragons dont like each other.

There /are/ horror corrupted dragons out there. They should be starting to move, and what a better way to move than with shadowrunners. There's so many good options for stuff.

Yes, I know the Scourge is about 1500 years ago, probably about a 1000 years until someone discloses the need for Kaers and starts moving in that direction. But Dragons and Immortals aren't going to chillax until that time. They're going to do something. Dunkie wanted to tell the humans right away, but Harlequin talked him out of it. Icewing still wants to be lore master, and he and Lofwyr are going to argue about this for a while, and who knows another dragon might decide to let their people know.

One of the interesting things about Amazonia is that it's a concerted effort by 3 Great Dragons to bring back a more magic centric civilization. Perhaps they're already preparing for the scourge.

[Stahlseele]

This is something i don't quite follow.
The Dragons . . okay, they slept, some have been killed during their slumber . .
But they are still Dragons, they had YEARS to figure out stuff that happaned in the mean time . .
But the immoral ELVES?
They have been awake. They have been active.
They have been MEDDLING for Bobby's sake!
THEY at least should know EXACTLY what happened and what's up right now.
Because they have been responsible for big parts of all of this.
Leonardo. The Queen of England. All of the others who did it a little bit more covertly . .
And they could and probably would have told at least some of the Great Old Ones what happened while they were out.
Not ALL of the Elves hate the Dragons and the other way around. Some are good friends with them.
Or at least, had been, with one of them, untill that one decided to sacrifice his life ON THIS PLANE to save the World.

[Dr.Rockso]

This is something i don't quite follow.
The Dragons . . okay, they slept, some have been killed during their slumber . .
But they are still Dragons, they had YEARS to figure out stuff that happaned in the mean time . .
But the immoral ELVES?
They have been awake. They have been active.
They have been MEDDLING for Bobby's sake!
THEY at least should know EXACTLY what happened and what's up right now.
Because they have been responsible for big parts of all of this.
Leonardo. The Queen of England. All of the others who did it a little bit more covertly . .
And they could and probably would have told at least some of the Great Old Ones what happened while they were out.
Not ALL of the Elves hate the Dragons and the other way around. Some are good friends with them.
Or at least, had been, with one of them, untill that one decided to sacrifice his life ON THIS PLANE to save the World.

Dunkie died for our sins.

[Dr.Rockso]

He did not, however, die for our double posts.

[Stahlseele]

Dunkie died for our sins.

As did Optimus *nods sagely*

[sabs]

I'm still not sure Dunkhie is /dead - dead/ you know.

He's a Great Dragon.. I'm sure he's got options for cheating.

Additionally, I freaking hate that the Immortal elves were awake and running around during the NO MAGIC AT ALL 5th world. That's drekkin horseshyte. The whole Leonardo thing? the whole, all the great humans were really Immortal elves crap? That's like Vampire where all the cool inventions by mortals were done by Vampires. It sucks, and I hate it. If i could undo that part of the Canon I would.

[Stahlseele]

You haven't read the Dragon Heart Trilogy did you? O.o
He DID cheat. He is TECHNICALLY still alive. Somehow.

[sabs]

You haven't read the Dragon Heart Trilogy did you? O.o
He DID cheat.

No I don't tend to read the books
But I thought he's sorta half dead? Like He's trapped in a pocket realm in spirit form?

[Stahlseele]

Yes and no.

[ Spoiler ]

he did a huge ass bloodmagic ritual to power the dragon heart, and thayla cought him while he was on his way to the other side. i think.
he became lethe. a huge ass freakishly strong free spirit. who got instructed to do exactly what big d wanted to do. bring the heart to where it was needed.
over the course of the novels, he inhabited some people, who mostly died. then he inhabited a cyberzombie. and had to learn, that the cybermancy that
kept the zombie alive also kept him trapped inside the body. and then he got the heart back. and got himself and the heart transported to where he wanted.
the heart fused to his hand. and his memoy came back, when he had destroyed the bridge that was being built to allow the enemy to come over to our side.
by that time, thayla had died allready. and thus he wanders the metaplanes in a cyberzombie body with all of his memories and all of the abilities of a free
spirit of incomparable power and equipped with one of the worlds strongest magical artifacts. technically, there is no stopping him from coming back again.
only he himself, because he has taken thaylas position for himself to keep the enemy away for as long as possible. by staying there and destroying bridges.

well, if i remember correctly.

[sabs]

I see
SOmetimes I wonder at the quality of the Shadowrun writers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Keep in mind, these were novels . .
written by jak koke.
but it is the offical canon in the rule/sourcebooks too i think . .

[Adarael]

Well, they're "canon" in that Rob said "Yeah, they're canon, whatever" and nobody will ever touch that plotline again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Me, I prefer to think of him as dead, assassinated. Because the Dragonheart trilogy is retarded.

[Hagga]

There's nothing to stop it from being partially true. Dunkelzahn did it to save us all, like the CoD said. He just happens to have mostly fused with the metaplanes and kicks down as many bridges as he possibly can from his semi-fused-with-infinity state, caused by an astral quest involving the Dragonheart.

[Kot]

Oh well, he could have ascended in a way... Just not the one from the trilogy. My personal vote is he became something like a Passion - enough people believed in him, and made him their personal idol.

[Stahlseele]

Oh well, he could have ascended in a way... Just not the one from the trilogy. My personal vote is he became something like a Passion - enough people believed in him, and made him their personal idol.

That would actually harmonize more or less with canon too . .
There IS the DRAGON Totem after all . .
Which was said to be based on him if i remember correctly . .

[otakusensei]

That would actually harmonize more or less with canon too . .
There IS the DRAGON Totem after all . .
Which was said to be based on him if i remember correctly . .

Isn't there a cult too? Bunch of folks that thought the Big D was watching over them from beyond and protecting them?

[Stahlseele]

Possible . . nay, PROBABLE . . heck, probably even certainly . .
I won't go into a tirade about religion, but if you take a look at the batshit crazy stuff people are ready to believe, try and extrapolate THAT into a World where Tech AND Magic make things possible that todays Physics and other Laws of Nature would render impossible . .

[Critias]

Yes, there is a lizard cult.

The "Children of the Dragon," they're called. I'm not sure if it was their first appearance, but Survival of the Fittest has some information on them (including a very Milton-esque splinter group led by a guy named "Morningstar," who's taking away a third of the faithful host).

[otakusensei]

Yes, there is a lizard cult.

The "Children of the Dragon," they're called. I'm not sure if it was their first appearance, but Survival of the Fittest has some information on them (including a very Milton-esque splinter group led by a guy named "Morningstar," who's taking away a third of the faithful host).

Thank you, I couldn't recall where they were from.

Guess I could have checked the wiki too... http://wiki.dumpshock.com/index.php/Children_of_the_Dragon

I like the Ghostwalker angle. If people are going to worship a dragon, it might as well be him. Right?

[TheWanderingJewe...]

So much to work with within the Magick section....and some of the ideas mirror my own. I'll take more of a look over the holidays

[TheWanderingJewe...]

Life Magick for the 2070's (roughing)

Blood Oath: In a nut shell, this is the cutting of one's palm and allowing ones blood to mix with another's, swearing a pact (the language of said will vary from area to area) or making a promise to one another that is reasonable to both parties (IE: not hurting one another via direct or indirect means). Both parties take one box of damage on the physical track that stays during the duration of said oath (traditionally a year and a day). Breaking the pact, while healing the damage box, results in scar both physical and astral that will remain on the pact-breakers aura that cannot be healed, with the astral signature of the name of the betrayed (nom de magicks apply) visible to those who look at the scar or can assense the target via standard tests. Those who do keep the pact, will retain the scar on the astral and physical, but will get a +1 die bonus to social tests to those who realize that the scar was the result of keeping ones word. A mage assensing the target will understand the nature of the astral scar and realize the person does keep their word.