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post Jan 30 2011, 01:43 PM
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my RiS campaign [SR3].

Do you want to know more? <--- *clicks*
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post Jan 30 2011, 10:43 PM
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...see PM.
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post Jan 31 2011, 01:06 AM
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Wrote up RVSN.
God, I'm starting to wonder if I've bitten off more than I can possibly chew - I wrote up a single branch of a single ministry (of the three responsible for Russian Armed Forces) for one of the warring states. And a write-up of the armed forces is just one of five chapters planned - god, this is taking me a couple months, at the very least...
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post Jan 31 2011, 06:15 AM
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...welcome to my world.

In 2005 I had a full writeup of the Balkans pretty much ready for submission and my RiS campaign arc in playtesting. I had spent more than a year in research on the history of the region and writing both the background and the module while making sure everything fit within the canon of SoE and SOTA 2063/64. Then Fanpro announced they were releasing a new edition of the rules and no longer were accepting additional material for 3rd ed.

...yeah a total burn.
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post Feb 1 2011, 01:06 AM
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In Shadows of Latin America, Bogota is part of Amazonia, though SoLA mentions that Aztlan considers it part of Aztlan and that many Bogota residents consider themselves free Colombians. So it's pretty ambiguous who controls it, though in SoLA it appears in the Amazonia chapter.


I got this PM from Demonseed Elite about Bogotá on the unpublished SoLA.
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post Feb 1 2011, 04:58 AM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jan 31 2011, 08:06 PM) *
I got this PM from Demonseed Elite about Bogotá on the unpublished SoLA.


Yeah. I'm not sure how relevant it is to what you guys are working on, but pre-War!, Bogota has been a part of Amazonia for decades. Page 106 of Aztlan says that officially, Bogota is within Amazonia's borders, but that Aztlan disagrees with the official borders and it can be summed up best as a "disputed territory." In the game timeline, that was 2056. In the more recent game events, Aztlan used the Interpol-backed offensive against Tempo as an excuse to bring military assets into Bogota, including the "accidental" bombing of Bogota's capital building. Feral Cities expands on how Bogota's government is in turmoil after the Aztlan strikes, and it's clear that Aztlan moved to exert more control over Bogota in the wake of the events of Ghost Cartels, apparently leading to the situation where the city is essentially under Aztlan control in War!.

The problems with War! are that it confuses this timeline by starting the book off with assumptions that Aztlan controls Bogota and then waiting a whole chapter before explaining how that happened. Then the explanation is pretty bad, making it sound like Aztlan has been slowly taking control of Bogota for decades, even though there's never been an indication of that before. Further, there's the whole issue with half the book being devoted to Bogota and so Bogota has to be made to seem more central to the Aztlan/Amazonia war than it would realistically be.
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post Feb 1 2011, 02:32 PM
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Well, this sums up pretty much how War! doesn't make sense...
I mean, if Amazonia really cared about the city, they wouldn't let Aztlan slowly buy the city. And even if Bogotá, was considered an autonomous region by Amazonia, they would definitely put a garrison there.

To me, this only makes sense if Hualpa or Sirrurg had planned this and wanted this war. But from the book, it appears the Amazonian Army was caught with their pants down and only Sirrurg is really taking the battle to Aztlan.
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post Feb 1 2011, 02:37 PM
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This is why, the more we work on this, the more I want to have FastJack put a giant "April Fools" joke on the War! stuff, and just punt the damn thing. Like in Star Trek 6 when Spock says to Kirk, "I had the strangest dream, that I had a Brother." "A brother? You spock?" "I know, Rediculous."

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post Feb 1 2011, 03:44 PM
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The Bogota history section in War! is a mess, to be entirely honest. The paragraph I posted above would have been a reasonable series of events to explain how Aztlan ended up in control of Bogota:

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In the game timeline, that was 2056. In the more recent game events, Aztlan used the Interpol-backed offensive against Tempo as an excuse to bring military assets into Bogota, including the "accidental" bombing of Bogota's capital building. Feral Cities expands on how Bogota's government is in turmoil after the Aztlan strikes, and it's clear that Aztlan moved to exert more control over Bogota in the wake of the events of Ghost Cartels, apparently leading to the situation where the city is essentially under Aztlan control in War!.


Now, Amazonia would still be fighting back, I imagine, but that kind of military move by Aztlan would make sense. Instead, War! time travels back to the early 2050s and establishes that Aztlan was slowly taking control of Bogota back then (which has never been mentioned before in canon) and then in the early 2060s, it planted the evil, carnivorous trees as a way to prevent an Amazonian invasion of Bogota that never happened in the early 2060s. And never really needed to happen, since canon had already said that Amazonia controlled Bogota up to that point. It's like Terminator movie logic. All done in the name of giving a purpose for the carnivorous trees which CGL determined was central to War! plotline and to give a reason to put an undeserved amount of attention on Bogota because it's the city that appears in half of the book.
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post Feb 1 2011, 04:39 PM
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Amazonia would be fighting back, but it would be a touchy, intrigue infested thing.

The Corp Court basically told them, "stop expanding in South America, or you're going to feel the full might of the Corporate Court."
This is what stopped them from expanding into Argentina, and taking MORE of Columbia and Venezuella than they did.
Bogota was Amazonian controlled, but the Bogotans consider themselves a Free Independent city.

Where's the Amazonian Garrison? Bogota is on the wrong side of /everywhere/. It needs a self-sufficient Garrison, and control of the Airport. The only way to get troops there is to fly them in from Metropole to Bogota.
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post Feb 1 2011, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE (sabs @ Feb 1 2011, 01:39 PM) *
Where's the Amazonian Garrison? Bogota is on the wrong side of /everywhere/. It needs a self-sufficient Garrison, and control of the Airport. The only way to get troops there is to fly them in from Metropole to Bogota.


Or Manaus and Belém, both are MUCH closer to Bogotá, and both, as far as I can recall, canon says they still exist as cities (instead of being swallowed by the jungle).
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post Feb 1 2011, 06:49 PM
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They are much closer, but going from Manaus to Bogota is still basically an airlift.
It's a faster airlift, I will grant. But it's still basically an airlift.
You're not driving from Manaus to Bogota.
I wonder what's in Manaus, in 2073.

Given that Manaus right now is a manufacturing center. A Free Economic Zone, Chemical, cell phones, etc.

the GDP for the City is $15 Billion, US. That's a nice chunck of change.
Still, it's in the heart of Amazonas. In the middle of the growing back super fast. What does that do.. how would Manaus change given Hualpa and Sirrurg's feelings.


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post Feb 1 2011, 08:10 PM
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I could see Manaus changing its economic to "greener" industries, perhaps there are licensed lumbermills that can cut a given amount of wood per month, that is good enough for them and good enough for the jungle too.
Perhaps some heavily inspected pharmaceutical companies operate there also.
Also, Manaus is now the capital of the nation, that means there are a lot of direct and indirect business related to politicians and masses of people (shadowrunners are one example of growing industry in Manaus (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ).

And Belém is the port for whatever is produced in Manaus and if we assume the Carajás Mine still exists, it also exports a lot of mineral resources.

I really wanted to see the SoLA draft for Amazonia. Two pages for country in 6WA doesn't even scratch the tip of the iceberg of information it could be available.
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post Feb 2 2011, 05:14 AM
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Finished up with Red Navy - the results look exceptionally boring to me, but I don't know how to make it better.
Oh well.
Coming up next are Naval Infantry, GRU and their associated Spetsnaz teams. Should be easy enough.
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post Feb 12 2011, 11:00 PM
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Switched to game information instead, statted up some vehicles, missiles and firearms.
*Edit*: also statted several devices you can put on fixed weapon mounts instead of weapons, hope they're not too broken.
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post Feb 14 2011, 03:14 PM
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We'll take a look. Fatum I'm going to start a thread for Russia. Can you put the links to your documents in them so folks can come in and take a look and make suggestions/etc.

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post Feb 25 2011, 05:25 PM
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I said I was going to take a look at what Fatum wrote and finish my stuff, but RL™ kinda didn't let me...
I think we are losing momentum and people.
hermit disappeared, Grinder and Doc Chase don't post anymore as well; it seems there is only me, sabs and Fatum still doing something.
So, is there anyone who would like to help?

Here goes the link for all the documents I have collected so far.
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post Feb 28 2011, 09:52 PM
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I've been sick for the last 6 days or so. Probably be another week before my brain doesn't feel like cotton gin.
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post Mar 1 2011, 12:24 PM
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I tried to reach Hermit some days ago, no success.

Holidays are long over, so I have a lot less time available. All things I promised to write are in first draft, I welcome anyone to add constructive criticism resulting in a second draft.
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post Mar 1 2011, 12:59 PM
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I beg your pardon if that doesn't sound as the brightest question ever, but: where are your drafts, Arclight?
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post Mar 1 2011, 01:05 PM
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I'm back. Very sorry for dropping out like I did. Shit hit fans and everything.

Off to the doc now, will catch up on Alt.War and post, hopefully answering questions leveled at me, in the evening.
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post Mar 1 2011, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (Fatum @ Mar 1 2011, 01:59 PM) *
I beg your pardon if that doesn't sound as the brightest question ever, but: where are your drafts, Arclight?


They are in the GoogleDocs folder Brazilian_Shinobi posted above. Mine are "Ares Assault Group", "misc mil equipment", "Combat First Aid" and (missing in the list, but was posted in this very thread) "Personal Equipment".
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post Mar 1 2011, 07:18 PM
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It'd be a nice idea to actually let someone beside you edit them, if you want feedback. :\
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post Mar 3 2011, 07:14 AM
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K, if you're so distrustful.
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The top, and under-barrel mounts are replaced by a point-based mounting system.
I've said it here already and I will repeat myself - Shadowrun ill needs one more weapon modification system.

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A vertical grip with some internal space.
How much?

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GripPod
Can the foregrip be used when the bipod is in use?

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Laser
Is it a laser sight? There are laser sights in the system already.

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Image Magnifier
I don't remember Vision Magnification upgrade having ratings.

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Storage Pistol Grip
Again, how much space?

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t’s making your rifle not a bit more effective on hand to hand combat, though.
Though? Besides, is "glass breaker system" just a fancy name for a sharp rod below the barrel?

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Dragpull SMAG
I heard that different rifles have different calibres...

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Combat Rations
First, if I recall, Eastern Bloc rations come meal-sized. Which, if you think about it, makes a lot of sense.
Second, I figure it'd be a good idea to mention the chem heating (again, not all Eastern Bloc rations have that; ones that don't have a fire source and some compact fuel; using those would allow runners to light some fire should a need arise).

Also, there's a whole bunch of cool equipment (like, say, entrenching charges) that's not on your draft.
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