alt.WAR, Fixing War's problems by writing a new book Options

[Arclight]

How much?
Can the foregrip be used when the bipod is in use?
Again, how much space?

Info added.

I've said it here already and I will repeat myself - Shadowrun ill needs one more weapon modification system.
Is it a laser sight? There are laser sights in the system already.
I don't remember Vision Magnification upgrade having ratings.

It's not another system. It's a modular system (which the canon version is not) for a selected list of items.

Besides, is "glass breaker system" just a fancy name for a sharp rod below the barrel?

Yes, that's exactly what it is.

I heard that different rifles have different calibres...

In Shadowrun, all weapons of a class (like "Assault rifles") share the same ammo. There is no such thing as "calibre" in Shadowrun.

First, if I recall, Eastern Bloc rations come meal-sized. Which, if you think about it, makes a lot of sense.
Second, I figure it'd be a good idea to mention the chem heating (again, not all Eastern Bloc rations have that; ones that don't have a fire source and some compact fuel; using those would allow runners to light some fire should a need arise).

Well, those aren't and they don't have.

Also, there's a whole bunch of cool equipment (like, say, entrenching charges) that's not on your draft.

Then: write them up?

K, if you're so distrustful.

I'm not distrustful, I organize my workload according to my working style and needs. I don't have to check 4 documents but only this one thread. Faster and therefore more time-efficient for me.

[Fatum]

It's not another system. It's a modular system (which the canon version is not) for a selected list of items.

It's precisely that: a system that replaces existing ones. I fail to see why quick-swap upgrades can't be statted as accessories or weapon modifications. I believe we've been over it above.

Yes, that's exactly what it is.

Hmm. How is it better than a bayonet?

In Shadowrun, all weapons of a class (like "Assault rifles") share the same ammo. There is no such thing as "calibre" in Shadowrun.

AFB, can't comment on this; though, as a matter of fact, there are upgrades that increase the caliber (see War!)

Well, those aren't and they don't have.

*shrug* You write about it in such general terms: "rations can be this or that" that it makes the reader presume that nothing besides those two types exist. Add "rations that we offer", maybe?

Then: write them up?

I thought you were writing on misc mil equip, not me.
I can, of course, include a bunch of assorted military gear into my draft, but is it really the place for it?

I'm not distrustful, I organize my workload according to my working style and needs. I don't have to check 4 documents but only this one thread. Faster and therefore more time-efficient for me.

Google.docs comments make it obvious which part of the text raises the question; so you don't have to read the comments in one tab and then look for the text commented in the other.
Whatever you prefer, of course.

[hermit]

AFB, can't comment on this; though, as a matter of fact, there are upgrades that increase the caliber (see War!)

It's from War ... SR had this weird one-size-fits-all ammo system, and had it since SR1 (nevermind that there always were caliber-change mods; SR's weapons just work like Army of Two's somehow). Entire fanmade supplements (Streetfighter's digest) have been written solely because people found that stupid, but there you go.

[Arclight]

Hmm. How is it better than a bayonet?

It's smaller, lighter, doesn't add unneeded length to your weapon and won't injure someone you accidentaly hit while punching through the glass.

AFB, can't comment on this; though, as a matter of fact, there are upgrades that increase the caliber (see War!)

I know nothing about War! besides that a lot of people don't like it.

I thought you were writing on misc mil equip, not me.

No, it's just a compilation of things I thought of. The GripPod was done by Tzzentch. At the point I started the file, we had no place to store little stuff that might find it's way into the book.

[hermit]

I know nothing about War! besides that a lot of people don't like it.

Do you want to know more? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Because knowing is half the War!
sorry, i could not resist <.<;,

[Arclight]

The other half reportedly being typos and crap (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Fatum]

It's smaller, lighter, doesn't add unneeded length to your weapon and won't injure someone you accidentaly hit while punching through the glass.

So, you can't use it in melee? Maybe you should point that out?

I know nothing about War! besides that a lot of people don't like it.

I'm afraid that its still canon, and we have to work with whatever rules and stats found there

[Arclight]

So, you can't use it in melee? Maybe you should point that out?

It IS in the text. You even quoted that part in your first post.

I'm afraid that its still canon, and we have to work with whatever rules and stats found there

I figure that is something the editor will judge on. After all, this whole project was started to create an alternative for the canon book. I personally don't care, but it would be a valid decision to just ignore all the crap in War! and introducing calibres into the rules system certainly fits right in there.

[Fatum]

It IS in the text. You even quoted that part in your first post.

Right, my bad.

I figure that is something the editor will judge on. After all, this whole project was started to create an alternative for the canon book. I personally don't care, but it would be a valid decision to just ignore all the crap in War! and introducing calibres into the rules system certainly fits right in there.

Well, I don't really think it's wise to just wave away a bunch of stuff, even if it's not really well-thought. People will still use it, so wollens nollens we have to accommodate for that fact.

[Arclight]

Well, I don't really think it's wise to just wave away a bunch of stuff, even if it's not really well-thought. People will still use it, so wollens nollens we have to accommodate for that fact.

As I said, that's the editors choice.

I'd appreciate feedback on my other documents, too. Especially on the Ares one.

[Fatum]

The Ares Assault Group is the premier cavalry regiment of Ares Macrocorporation.

Far as I understand, US army has mechanized units called "cavalry" because of the regiment history - started as cavalry, and then, as it got new weapons, turned into what is today, right? How can Ares have units that used to be cavalry?

The part after that - well, I am personally ok with the info being presented is a whole stream of shadowtalk only, but it's hardly the custom for SR books, and it kinda makes the text harder to follow. Maybe, back to "one primary document by the leading expert on the board, comments by everyone else"?

The AAG has no logistics or maintenance personnel.

Hera is the name for all the support units, as far as I can tell.

Uh, aren't logistic and maintenance support?

The shadowtalkers forgot about magic altogether. Well, almost.

Alpha solely uses vector-thrust tanks and usually is deployed as a quick reaction strike force for fast, short-term overt missions.

Each squad is divided into two half-squads. These have two grenadiers, one gunner and one marksman doubling as team-leader/assistant team-leader.

Uh I imagined tank crews somewhat differently.

While it’s sister units

[Inncubi]

Are you guys still interested in things for Bogotá?
I can give you information, just ask and i'll answer as soon as possible.

I leave you with this actual video: Guerrilas taking over the Supreme Court of Justice in Colombia in 1986, tehse are the images I could find. Yes this is inside actual Bogotá, two blocks away form the President's house, over the block shown in min. 1.47 from the Congress, and those are army tanks. They used those in a big FAIL attempt to take it over. The voice is form a Supreme Justice asking the President, over the media, to order a cease fire.

It all ended in flames.

(Back then the police didn't know how pilot a chopper. Yes the guy dropped was a "Tactical Team"... again EPIC FAIL!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUdYAAE_Qfw

That is how Bogotá should look like in the 6th world.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

Well, Inncubi, every help counts. Welcome aboard, feel free to critic or even contribute text.

[Arclight]

Far as I understand, US army has mechanized units called "cavalry" because of the regiment history - started as cavalry, and then, as it got new weapons, turned into what is today, right? How can Ares have units that used to be cavalry?

Simple: the guys creating a corporate force from scratch have to come somewhere. And they didn't reinvent the wheel.

The part after that - well, I am personally ok with the info being presented is a whole stream of shadowtalk only, but it's hardly the custom for SR books, and it kinda makes the text harder to follow. Maybe, back to "one primary document by the leading expert on the board, comments by everyone else"?

I like the present format better, because it transports one of the core messages better (e.g. "nobody really knows").

Uh, aren't logistic and maintenance support?

You should read that part again. AAG has no permanently employed mechanics and indeed has a completely AI-based logistics system.

Uh I imagined tank crews somewhat differently.

I don't think that the vehicle crews need to be detailed but only the part that can come into contact with player characters.

[Inncubi]

Where's the Amazonian Garrison? Bogota is on the wrong side of /everywhere/. It needs a self-sufficient Garrison, and control of the Airport. The only way to get troops there is to fly them in from Metropole to Bogota.

Ok, Bogotá , actually the name comes from "Cacique Bacatá", a "Cacique is a "Leader" to native americans, today, is an administrative center for the army, but almost no operations start from here. Since most of the current war is going on in rural areas, the army's real presence is there. However, Bogotá has now three airports: one is "CATAM -Comando de Transporte Aéreo" (Air Transport Command) base, in the El Dorado Airport, which is the second, civilian international airport. On the outskirts, in Guaymaral there is a third, small -fit only for small planes, certainly not commercial jet liners- and private airport.

From Manaus to Bogotá, today, you can't drive... Ok, not sure if you /can/ as in /possible/, but certainly not an efficient way to do it by any chance. In a growing magical jungle that devours civilization. I see it happening less and less.

The "Cantón Norte" is a huge weapon deposit for the army. The same guerrillas that attacked the Supreme Court of Justice once dug a tunnel under the deposits and stole a lot of weapons. The M-19, as they were called, pulled it off.

Now, to another subject.

Close to Bogotá, about one and a half hour drive away, lies The "Laguna de Guatavita". A very important spiritual place for the Muiscas -Native americans that occupied the area around Bogotá- its a lagoon in the old funnel of a volcano, where the natives would pick a chief and perform a festival where they would bathe him in gold dust and carry him to the center of the lagoon, there they would throw gold, emeralds, salt and other precious objects into the water, and the "Cacique" would dive in.

People have tried to dry it in order to get the gold in the depths, to no avail. They have sent divers, to no avail.
Talk about potential story line here for SR, also some anthropologists say this was what actually spurned further the El Dorado myth.
Actually this summary is good: http://www.bookrags.com/research/muisca-religion-eorl-09/

And I just found this amazing website, has lots of information, relatively accurate, about the current conflict, and its in English already:
http://insightcrime.org/country-profiles/c...country-profile

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

So...
Is the project closed?

[Stahlseele]

try here:
http://tgdmb.com/viewtopic.php?t=51934&start=300
last posting was on march 19

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

Thanks, registered there and sent the links of my documents.

[Kyoto Kid]

...well read through the thread over on TGD and the Balkans still seem to be an afterthought.

If I were more involved with 4th ed, I would seriously consider submitting something. Just not cost effective though to spend 100's on new game books (or more preferably PDFs) just to get "up to speed" so I can write a section for an alternate sourcebook from which there would be no compensation.

[Seerow]

I was going to read through the gaming den posting, but then I got to the point where Frank was talking about electrical weapons, and an explanation of an alternate damage system that is being used and expected to be used to work with the gear being made, and I find that ridiculous. This is supposed to be a rewrite of a supplement to make that supplement more balanced, not a rewrite of the core rules of the game.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

Agreed. And I posted my drafts there and got no feedback on them, other than "it needs more/less words".
And nobody is posting here anymore...
Now, about Frank:
If he wanted to create a Shadowrun 5 core rules, fine, but to create a thread about what War! should have been and then start adding new rules or rewriting rules is just silly.

[Seerow]

Well is anyone really interested in trying to wrest the project back from TGD to bring it back to being WAR! rather than SR4.75?

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

I volunteered to write stuff about South America. Maracaibo and Amazonian Forces are ok, I think. It's the chapter about how an Awakened Army is formed that I'm not satisfied. I'll try write a new chapter about another possible front for the Azt/Am war.

[Fatum]

Frankly, with the type of fluff changes they purpose, and their idea of not supporting CGL material (which'd basically limit the consumers of our work to hardcore bitter fans), I just think I'll make whatever I can of what I am doing, and not take their changes into account.