Kingdom of Hawai'i, So what's happened since Paradise Lost? |
Kingdom of Hawai'i, So what's happened since Paradise Lost? |
Dec 28 2010, 06:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 746 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 459 |
-- For most purposes, the Kingdom of Hawai'i has been a non-entity in the Shadowrun universe since 1994. In a similar format to my previous threads that collate canon materials, this will provide page references and sources for all the references to Hawai'i I can find in the Shadowrun canon.
-- Why? Because I finished reading Paradise Lost again, and figured why not (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'll start with an updated timeline and go from there: Sources of Note: Paradise Lost [2054] - Primary source. I do not have Houses of the Sun handy but I doubt it matters much. Shadows of Asia [2064] - It appears as if later authors simply ignored this book. Sixth World Almanac [2073 (technically very late 2072)] - Secondary source. Most substantial mention of the location in almost two decades (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Population 2052: 4,108,229 Population 2073: 5,020,500 (unknown number from Yomi immigrants) Real World Population 2009: 1,295,178 (makes the Shadowrun numbers pretty stunning as it implied absolutely massive food and resource importants paid for by ... tourism or something??) Note: These population figures are directly contradicted in Shadows of Asia, p. 195, which lists a population of 1,898,000. Timeline
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Dec 28 2010, 09:41 AM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,946 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Omaha Member No.: 17,234 |
*sighs* It's like in hind site "kill whitey" isn't a good basis for universe building. I've only been to Hawaii once spending a couple months there in 2003, the thought of Hawai with 5x the population is mind boggling. I would presume like many places where the corps pretty much get to run things without outside interferance it's a terrible place to live but at least one you can reasonably expect to job down to the stuffer shack without worrying about getting shot or eaten which is what presumably most in the sixth world want.
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Dec 28 2010, 09:51 AM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
If they cover Big Island with habitats, 5 Mil might be technically doable, given Shadowrun is really big on Aquaculture. So long as you don't mind your diet being essentially krill and seaweed, that is.
Always liked that setting. Pity much of it went ignored, from the idea of Hawaii as an ork nation to the idea of a spwarl in a tropical climate. Also, 'kill Whitey' was dead ever since Findley read up on Reservation populations and ruled the NAN had a one-drop policy, which makes a hell of a lot more Americans Indians all of a sudden, most of whom probably not really looking the part. As for sources, House of the Sun has a lot of info cactually, on Honolulu, the King, the history, ALOHA, and the wacko demon-summoning blood magic rituals the native shamans use. IT also features Harlequin's weirdest and least irritating cameo, Netherwalking and Dirk Montgomery becoming tainted (the Montgomery family sure must be a sight on the Astral by now). |
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Dec 28 2010, 10:47 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 746 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 459 |
Cunningham, Scott. Hawaiian Magic & Spirituality (Lewellyn Publications, 2001) has proven to be quite useful for fleshing out the kahuna traditions.
I'll pick up Houses of the Sun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Dec 28 2010, 12:42 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 |
You have to remember that the guys who did Population stuff in FASA's time.. uh.. were on crack.. for lack of a better term.
the Shadows of XXX guys tried to fix the really blatantly horrible population decisions. It would be wise to retcon the populations down to say 2 million. |
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Dec 28 2010, 01:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 746 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 459 |
c. 75% of the population lives on Oahu, in or near Honolulu (SWA, p. 180). So c. 3.7M people.
Oahu, including the uninhabitable areas, is 596 square miles. That's a population density of 6,208 people/square mile, or about 5x higher than it is right now (and that's pretty damn crowded). Exactly where are these people came from I don't know, presumably some kind of mass migration from the states to the islands after independence, and usage of arcologies. Note the super anemic population growth since then though, even with the supposedly quite large influx of high-fertility orcs. That's less than a 1% population growth rate even with everything stacked for fertility, and high immigration. |
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Dec 28 2010, 01:55 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 |
It would make more sense for it to be the opposite.
It started out at basically 1.8 million, and it's been climbing on a 3 births for every death ratio for the last 20 years. remember, they Yomi refugees for a while, and now that Yomi has been closed down, they probably got a big Orc/Troll population influx. Hawaiian trolls just make me happy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Dec 28 2010, 09:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 746 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 459 |
-- A growth from 1.8M in 2008 to c. 4.1M in 2054 only requires a 1.8% population growth rate. That's not particularly high (average worldwide pop growth rate is about 1.2%). Just need to explain how they exceed the island's carrying capacity by so much, pay for food imports, that sort of thing. I suspect Honololu has a rather large arcology.
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Dec 28 2010, 10:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
-- A growth from 1.8M in 2008 to c. 4.1M in 2054 only requires a 1.8% population growth rate. That's not particularly high (average worldwide pop growth rate is about 1.2%). Just need to explain how they exceed the island's carrying capacity by so much, pay for food imports, that sort of thing. I suspect Honololu has a rather large arcology. Underwater archology or stuff like that, perhaps? They also might grow |
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Dec 28 2010, 11:40 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 |
floating islands of pontoons with farms on them?
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Dec 29 2010, 12:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 746 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 459 |
-- Paradise Lost and Sixth World Almanac make a case for most of the islands being only lightly inhabited (Hilo is only a bit over 2x current size in Shadowrun). So population density around Honolulu may approach that of Manhattan. Population isn't really a huge issue, but how they are fed and supported is a mystery. Are the sizes and populations of any Shadowrun arcologies known?
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Dec 29 2010, 12:25 AM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 9,675 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
I haven't read much of the SR resources on Hawai'i or other Polynesian peoples, but there can be an argument made for there being a higher ratio of metahuman (particularly troll and ork) -latent peoples in the Polynesian islands than elsewhere.
It isn't hard to note that a lot of Polynesians are very large people. An interesting exploration of this phenomenon is in People of the great ocean: aspects of human biology of the early Pacific, by Philip Houghton. He argues that the counter-intuitively cold conditions of travel in the tropical oceans favoured the survival of people with a larger than average muscle mass. Apparently, a trip of 8-12 hours in the ocean using neolithic technology, especially at night or in overcast conditions, could actually kill smaller people. Following this premise, then, and assuming that the latent genetics of trolls and orks had some effect on body size even before 2011, one could argue that Polynesia in general, and Hawai'i in particular were blessed with a higher than normal percentage of trolls and orks. So, population figures given above may not be as far off as one might think. |
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Dec 29 2010, 07:28 AM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
all I know is that Leonard's had better still be around in 2070. real island runners won't work without malasadas.
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Dec 29 2010, 10:08 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 70 Joined: 8-November 05 From: Kwaj, RMI Member No.: 7,935 |
I'd go for Liki Liki.
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Jan 11 2011, 01:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 917 Joined: 5-September 03 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Member No.: 5,585 |
Pbangarth:
It was considered cannon that the Troll expression in New Zealand was waaaaaaaaay over the usual ratio (Wasn't it something like 30% Trolls? Or was it 30% Troll from those of Maori descent?) and as the first settlers of the cloudlands arrived via outrigger, it'd make some sense, genetically, that those H. formeri genes would be shared amongst a decent proportion of the islander peoples. BTW: I think this is from Target: Awakened Lands, and was only a paragraph or two. There was also mention of Maori Troll Adepts using their weapon foci to clean out Bug Spirit Hives, but I forget where that's from. Great mental image, though.... Tir: Unecessary Genetic Profiling Makes Me Sad. |
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Jan 11 2011, 02:10 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,182 Joined: 5-December 07 From: Lower UCAS, along the border Member No.: 14,507 |
I'm probably a bad person for considering writing up an NPC young lady shaman with a blue, six legged ally spirit, right? Right?
...Elvis as a Mentor Spirit? I'll get me hat. |
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Jan 11 2011, 05:15 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 392 |
Depends...does the ally spirit still have an uncontrollable urge to destroy major metropolitan areas? Don't forget the spirit pact with the ocean spirit that controls the weather. May need a day job to afford the pb&j sandwiches.
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Jan 30 2014, 08:46 AM
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Keeper of the Timeline Maps Group: Members Posts: 410 Joined: 21-December 10 Member No.: 19,243 |
Hawai'i supports itself with the sale of high-priced coffee beans. From Seattle 2072, p. 41:
QUOTE Mr. Johnson smiled. "Hawaiian beans. The volcanic ash, the altitude, the rainfall, and the climate--all in all, an excellent place to grow beans. Small harvests. The farmers coddle each plant, roast the beans by hand. A single pound sells for over a thousand nuyen at auction."
"Liquid gold," I said. [..] |
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Jan 31 2014, 11:59 AM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Speaking as someone who knows Kona coffee, I fully agree with Mr Johnson here.
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