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post Mar 16 2004, 08:52 AM
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Has there been any concrete information published about the ghoul nation in Africa other than throwaway lines here and there?

Also is there any real concrete information on Amazonia?

I have most of the books but it has been years since I read them and am slowly working my way back through them.
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post Mar 16 2004, 09:06 AM
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Regarding the ghoul nation (not going to try and spell it without looking it up), not really. It seems most of the ghouls are Samba-something or other, not the kind we're used to, and I think I read somewhere that they had a queen in charge.

That's about it.
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post Mar 16 2004, 09:22 AM
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They really should make a Africa book.
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post Mar 16 2004, 11:01 AM
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post Mar 16 2004, 11:06 AM
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Check Cyberpirates page 110.
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post Mar 16 2004, 03:38 PM
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Don't have CP. Anyone else know anything about Asamondo?
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post Mar 16 2004, 07:48 PM
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As has been said before the Asamondo ghoul nation gets a writeup in Cyberpirates (which in fact covers the Gold and Ivory Coast of Africa pretty well) and some brief additional material in the adventure pack Predator and Prey.

Regarding Amazonia, the only detailed material so far has been in Dragons of the Sixth World (Hualpa), Sprawl Survival Guide (It's a Small World) and a bit about the Rio end of the Metropole sprawl in SOTA63.
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post Mar 16 2004, 08:03 PM
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post Mar 16 2004, 08:19 PM
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That has about as much as the chapter in Survival of the Fittest which doesn't really add very much except a lot of jungle.
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post Mar 16 2004, 08:29 PM
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Yaar. But you have to start somewhere. :spin:
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post Mar 16 2004, 08:29 PM
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p. 67, SOTA 2063, Battlefields, Africa.

Brief mention of Asamondo as a merc hot spot regarding the smuggling of metahuman bodies into the nation and possible shedim problems.
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post Mar 17 2004, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE (Joker)
Also is there any real concrete information on Amazonia?

There's also a little adventure set in Amazonia IIRC in Predator and Prey. Although from what I remember it doesn't really add much information and was a bit rail-roading. All of this is from memory from a few years back though.
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post Mar 17 2004, 12:14 AM
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YotC mentions Asamondo in that it had natural orichalcum deposits.

Also, from Cyberpirates, we know it is ruled by a Queen, though her power doesn't seem to extend very far. Ghouls are ghouls after all. The Sasobosam ghouls have longer-arms and higher intelligence.

The queen is said to both care for her people and have a very high charisma.
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post Mar 17 2004, 12:38 AM
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Well, care is a bit of a stretch. She does practice mass Eugenics so as to provide a 'respectable' face to the outside world. Although I suppose she could try and argue that she's just trying to raise ghouls standing in the world.
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post Mar 17 2004, 01:04 AM
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Or trying to create a viable nation. A country full of cannibals with no self control wouldn't last long anyway. She's just taking care or the criminals ;)
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post Mar 17 2004, 06:11 AM
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seems like i remember there being two ghoul nations in Africa. maybe i'm just smokin' teh craxk, though. hafta look that up tonight.
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post Mar 17 2004, 08:53 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks that a "ghoul nation" is a little...dumb. Am I the only one who hates the fuck out of HMHVV?
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post Mar 17 2004, 09:14 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks that a "ghoul nation" is a little...dumb.

Only about as much as three elven nations or Yakut.
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post Mar 17 2004, 09:31 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks that a "ghoul nation" is a little...dumb. Am I the only one who hates the fuck out of HMHVV?

Okay, I'll bite. What do you dislike so about HMHVV? *Braces for another Shoe Endorsement rant* :)
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post Mar 17 2004, 09:36 AM
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I think HMHVV has its place, but I'll concede I do it differently in my own game.
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post Mar 17 2004, 09:39 AM
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A ghoul nation is stupid only in the sense that ghouls must eat metahuman flesh. That would not only hurt their tourism industry but they would somehow have to import corpses by the thousands, which would be a serious problem given most people's attitudes toward Ghouls and cannibalism in general. Ghouls need to be on the fringe of metahuman societies to get that food, a ghoul nation makes as much sense as a habitat populated entirely by carnivores.
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post Mar 17 2004, 10:09 AM
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Difference being, carnivores can eat each other's flesh.
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post Mar 17 2004, 11:00 AM
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Difference being, carnivores can eat each other's flesh.

Theoretically yes, but without a steady influx of new flesh from Herbivores the ecosystem will only last a couple of days before you run out of carnivores.
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post Mar 17 2004, 11:04 AM
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Well, how big is the ghoul nation supposed to be? If its a small community, that doesn't sound unreasonable. I mean, does "ghoul nation" actually refer to a sizable nation?
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post Mar 17 2004, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE (Moonstone Spider)
QUOTE (simonw2000 @ Mar 17 2004, 05:09 AM)
Difference being, carnivores can eat each other's flesh.

Theoretically yes, but without a steady influx of new flesh from Herbivores the ecosystem will only last a couple of days before you run out of carnivores.

Vat cloned metahuman flesh.

Remember, unlike vampires, ghous do not need to eat actual people. They just need "metahuman flesh".
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