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post Dec 29 2010, 06:26 PM
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The Sangre Del Diablo tree from page 26, WAR! is a frightening idea. Not so much in practice though. Its Magical Guard power would make it formidable, except the fact it has no Counterspelling skill, and its Exotic Ranged Weapon (Sap) would be very intimidating if it were linked to an actual weapon (such as Energy Attack [Sap] or Natural Weapon [Sap]). So basically we're just left with a vaguely annoying tree that can Engulf you if you get too close.

The Del Drago trees suffer from the same problems also. It also has Exotic Ranged Weapon (Sap), but this seems counter-intuitive to it hiding, since its sap heals. Would the person who gets hit, after they panic a little, realise exactly which type of tree just sapped him/her?

It seems like more time was spent writing the Notes for these trees than actually reviewing the trees for plausability.
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post Dec 29 2010, 06:48 PM
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These Epileptic Trees have actually been around since Year of the Comet - I believe they received such prominence in War! because they'd been sorely underutilized in sourcebooks since YotC.
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post Dec 29 2010, 06:50 PM
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Frankly as for Rodents of Unusual Size.. i don't believe in them.

It's by far the most infuriating thing about War!
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post Dec 29 2010, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE (sabs @ Dec 29 2010, 01:50 PM) *
Frankly as for Rodents of Unusual Size.. i don't believe in them.

It's by far the most infuriating thing about War!


RUS's sound like something that should be fielded by the Amazonians. But you won't find stats for them in War!
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post Dec 29 2010, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE (otakusensei @ Dec 29 2010, 07:21 PM) *
RUS's sound like something that should be fielded by the Amazonians. But you won't find stats for them in War!


We could make stats for them in War!...
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post Dec 29 2010, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Dec 29 2010, 01:48 PM) *
These Epileptic Trees have actually been around since Year of the Comet - I believe they received such prominence in War! because they'd been sorely underutilized in sourcebooks since YotC.

Well, it sounds like they've been heavily modified in the interim (I certainly can't find anything that explains why they're called "epileptic" in YotC). That said, the way they work in SR3 is that they have a solid Willpower of 6, reducing the number of successes casters are likely to be getting on them, and their Magical Guard power gives them 8 points of Spell Defense. They did not have a ranged attack in YotC, instead using the Compulsion power to get victims to cozy up to the tree—since it's an Opposed Test of its 8 Essence against the target's Willpower, most characters (6 Willpower) will be at a disadvantage here. The Sludge Engulf causes 8M armor-bypassing damage, too, so once you're in you're probably dying in five turns.

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post Dec 29 2010, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 29 2010, 07:28 PM) *
Well, it sounds like they've been heavily modified in the interim (I certainly can't find anything that explains why they're called "epileptic" in YotC). That said, the way they work in SR3 is that they have a solid Willpower of 6, reducing the number of successes casters are likely to be getting on them, and their Magical Guard power gives them 8 points of Spell Defense. They did not have a ranged attack in YotC, instead using the Compulsion power to get victims to cozy up to the tree—since it's an Opposed Test of its 8 Essence against the target's Willpower, most characters (6 Willpower) will be at a disadvantage here. The Sludge Engulf causes 8M armor-bypassing damage, too, so once you're in you're probably dying in five turns.

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I use 'Epileptic Tree' as a joke - it's a TV Trope. I prefer it to saying 'Sangre del Diablo/Draco'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Dec 29 2010, 07:36 PM
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Not only does War! spend way too much time with trees and way too little time wit, well, war, it also fails to remember what these trees were like. I wonder if Hardy even has access to pre-SR4-era SR books? BEcause he sure doesn't seem to have the grasp of the setting a Line Dev ought to have.

As for Rodents? There are critter design rules in RW.
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post Dec 29 2010, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Dec 29 2010, 12:31 PM) *
I use 'Epileptic Tree' as a joke - it's a TV Trope. I prefer it to saying 'Sangre del Diablo/Draco'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

DAMNIT! Disclaimer this crap! Just lost another hour of my life to that damned site. LOL
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post Dec 29 2010, 08:33 PM
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For ROUSs just take a Devil Rat, double it's size, double or triple it's stats, and there you go.
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post Dec 29 2010, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Dec 29 2010, 08:05 PM) *
DAMNIT! Disclaimer this crap! Just lost another hour of my life to that damned site. LOL


HAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAA
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post Dec 29 2010, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Dec 29 2010, 03:05 PM) *
DAMNIT! Disclaimer this crap! Just lost another hour of my life to that damned site. LOL


They have one
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post Dec 29 2010, 09:19 PM
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I know. You'd think I'd learn by now.
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post Dec 29 2010, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Dec 29 2010, 10:05 PM) *
DAMNIT! Disclaimer this crap! Just lost another hour of my life to that damned site. LOL


You too huh?
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post Dec 29 2010, 11:50 PM
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This site lifes off stolen lifetime.
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post Dec 30 2010, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Dec 29 2010, 02:27 PM) *
We could make stats for them in War!...


Nothing personal at all meant, but I am getting so full of the shit that I have to do in game BECAUSE of War!. Never has a book caused me so much trouble as a GM.
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post Dec 30 2010, 03:09 AM
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QUOTE (otakusensei @ Dec 30 2010, 08:37 AM) *
Never has a book caused me so much trouble as a GM.

I think I have heard someone say likewise for every other SR4 rulebook.
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post Dec 30 2010, 03:15 AM
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QUOTE (toturi @ Dec 29 2010, 10:09 PM) *
I think I have heard someone say likewise for every other SR4 rulebook.

They do come out separated by time, so you could have heard someone say likewise for each one and still have each of them be right.

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post Dec 30 2010, 03:19 AM
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QUOTE (otakusensei @ Dec 29 2010, 05:37 PM) *
Nothing personal at all meant, but I am getting so full of the shit that I have to do in game BECAUSE of War!. Never has a book caused me so much trouble as a GM.

Easy solution: Ban the book from your table?
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post Dec 30 2010, 03:23 AM
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QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Dec 29 2010, 10:19 PM) *
Easy solution: Ban the book from your table?

He runs games which are required to be canon. That includes all of canon. This "solution" is not an option.

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post Dec 30 2010, 03:44 AM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 29 2010, 10:23 PM) *
He runs games which are required to be canon. That includes all of canon. This "solution" is not an option.

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Used to run. I'm stepping down on Thursday. I'm still keeping on with the game on Sunday, but War! is going to be the first book that we do ban from the table. Hell, it will contain the first rules and information that we ban. It's really an awesome feeling that I feel wonderful about...
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post Dec 30 2010, 04:08 AM
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Ah, I didn't realize he ran a strict canon table.

Though your point was made moot, thank you for at least bringing information I didn't know about previously. So much happens here that I don't keep up with threads that exceed 5 pages or so. (or that are as volatile as the war thread is presently... been yelled at for getting involved before, so I have to try not to these days).
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post Dec 30 2010, 04:21 AM
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QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Dec 29 2010, 11:08 PM) *
Ah, I didn't realize he ran a strict canon table.

Though your point was made moot, thank you for at least bringing information I didn't know about previously. So much happens here that I don't keep up with threads that exceed 5 pages or so. (or that are as volatile as the war thread is presently... been yelled at for getting involved before, so I have to try not to these days).


We have a passionate crowd, that has never been questioned. When I first started posting here I got reamed a few times. Ok, more than a few times. hense my early sign up date and comparatively recent posting history. But you grow a skin as thick as a pile of rhinos and a superiority complex that rivals that of some dictators and eventually you get mentioned as a hater in The Champagne Room!
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post Dec 30 2010, 04:24 AM
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You have an early sign-up date? I don't have an early sign-up date!

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post Dec 30 2010, 04:25 AM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 29 2010, 11:24 PM) *
You have an early sign-up date? I don't have an early sign-up date!

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Ok, well, you win this one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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