Building Up To Code, Min/Max when my dice pool can't exceed 14 Options

[WhiskeyJohnny]

Sorry, why no smartthings?

I thought they didn't work with dual wielding - which is why I need the dice pool to be so high in the first place, so I can dual wield at 14 dice/14 dice.

[Yerameyahu]

Ah, I figured it was something obvious. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Sorry.

[WhiskeyJohnny]

Ah, I figured it was something obvious. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Sorry.

It's no problem (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Mäx]

I'm still having trouble getting my Automatics and Clubs skills high enough. Since I can't use smartguns and smartlinks, I lose out on some dice, and I'm still not familiar enough with the system to know what other tricks I might use.

You wanting to be infected is making this very hard, on a non infected character i can get the 24 dice easy piecy, on a banshee closest i can get you is the following:
Grap Level 2 surge and take metagenetic optimization agility and exceptional attribute agility -> Agility 9
Both skills as 5
be adept and grap level 2 improved ability for both skills
= 16 dice
Convince the whole team to get rating 2 tacnet
=18 dice
Get a weekly treatment of Oxygenated Fluorocarbons for +1 to agility
=19 dice
then if your GM allows stacking of drug benefits you can take doze of kamikaze before the fight starts for one more +1 to agility
=20 dice/2 = 10 dice

Add specializations
=12 dice per pool

You can load your machine pistols with tracers to get +1 to short bursts and +2 to long burst, if you have enought RC in those guns you get a boost to dice pool
= 13 dice for short burst and 14 dice to long bursts per pool

You can mod your clubs to have personalised grips giving +1 dice
=13 dice per pool for clubs.

Holy crap, we actually did almost get to our goal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[WhiskeyJohnny]

You wanting to be infected is making this very hard, on a non infected character i can get the 24 dice easy piecy, on a banshee closest i can get you is the following:
Grap Level 2 surge and take metagenetic optimization agility and exceptional attribute agility -> Agility 9
Both skills as 5
be adept and grap level 2 improved ability for both skills
= 16 dice
Convince the whole team to get rating 2 tacnet
=18 dice
Get a weekly treatment of Oxygenated Fluorocarbons for +1 to agility
=19 dice
then if your GM allows stacking of drug benefits you can take doze of kamikaze before the fight starts for one more +1 to agility
=20 dice/2 = 10 dice

Add specializations
=12 dice per pool

You can load your machine pistols with tracers to get +1 to short bursts and +2 to long burst, if you have enought RC in those guns you get a boost to dice pool
= 13 dice for short burst and 14 dice to long bursts per pool

You can mod your clubs to have personalised grips giving +1 dice
=13 dice per pool for clubs.

Holy crap, we actually did almost get to our goal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Awesome. Why does being infected make this hard? I might not have to be - the GM is trying to take the game in a less pink mohawk direction, so the stricture that I must be a werewolf may no longer be enforced.

[Mäx]

Awesome. Why does being infected make this hard

Becouse all the ones worth considering have regenation power, witch means they can only accept deltaware implants.
If you dont have to be infected then this is much easier:
Surged elf adept with
Agility 8(13)(Metagenetic Improvement (Agility) + Genetic Optimization (Agility)+ Muscle Toner 4 + Suprathyroid Gland) this takes 2 restricted gear qualities for the last 2 on the list
Both skills as 5
level 2 improved ability for both skills
=20 dice
Convince the whole team to get rating 2 tacnet
=22 dice / 2 is 11 dice per pool
specs for both skills
=13 dice per pool

The same tricks from the end of the last post get you to 14 dice per pool as long as your not firing single shot from the machine pistols.
As you see this one had a couple of steps less and no need for drugs.

[WhiskeyJohnny]

As you see this one had a couple of steps less and no need for drugs.

Which is partly why I prefer it - more elegant, and much less chance of addiction.

Edit: Ok, so I may not be able to play an Adept. Is there a way to do this without the Improved Ability?

[InfinityzeN]

If you drop the Genetic Optimization (Agility) and take Exceptional Agility, you have the potential to eventually get a 10(15) agility. If you look in the 800BP thread, I actually made an elf like that who threw 22 dice with every class of firearm just from Agility + Skill. Adding in Tacnet, Smartgun, and Specialization he was throwing 28 dice with a single weapon. On his MG he had a laser sight and tracers (can't combine tracers with smartlink) he had 27 dice at short range and 28~30 dice past that.

[Mäx]

If you drop the Genetic Optimization (Agility) and take Exceptional Agility, you have the potential to eventually get a 10(15) agility.

Thats more agility in long term, but it's much worse in the terms of out-of chargen power* and as the OP can't go over 14 dice per pool he has no use for getting agility that high eventually.

*As the Muscle Toner needs to be dropped to rating 2 and Suprathyroid Gland needs to be ditched completely.

[InfinityzeN]

Actually since he has only used 30 points of merits, he can still take the Muscle Toner 4 or the Suprathyroid Gland

[Mäx]

Actually since he has only used 30 points of merits, he can still take the Muscle Toner 4 or the Suprathyroid Gland

Nope.
Adept 5 + Surge 2 10 + exceptional atribute 20 = 35

[Seth]

Here is my first go. Actually a few die pools get up to 15, but they could easily be reduced (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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Race Ork
Attributes
Body 4/5/8
Agility 1/3/9
Reaction 5/9
Strength 3/4/7
Charisma 3
Intuition 3
Logic 1/3
Willpower 2
Edge 1

Qualities
Genetic Heritage (reakt)
Made man / Mafia
Perceptive 1
Born Rich

35pts of negative to be decided

Skills
Electronics (Group) 4
Influence (Group) 4
Stealth (Group) 4
Cracking (Group) 4
Pilot Ground Craft 1
Pistols 4
Athletics (Group)1
Blades 4
Biotech (Group) 1
Perception 4

Right cyberarm (alpha)
Customized Body 2
Customized Strength 3
Customized Agility 3
Body 3
Strength 1
Agility 3
Datajack
Armour 2
Hand razors (retractable)

Cyberware
Attention coprocessor 3
Wired reflexes 2 / alpha
Reaction enhancer 2 / used
Simsense booster / used

Bioware
Platelet factories / used
Synthacardium 3 / used
Muscle toner 2 / used
Tailored pheromones 3 / used
Cerebral booster 2

Genestuff
PuSheD
from "genetic heritage" Reakt

Commlink
Erike Elite upgraded Response and signal 5
Operating system Novatech Navi upgraded firewall / system 5
Pirated Hacking programs at 3: armour, attack, biofeedback filter, explot, spoof, stealth

Standard programs at 5: all plus empathy

Also cheap commlink 300 nuyen that is public one

Glasses and Ear buds with vision enhancements and stuff

Die pools

Perception: Int 3 + skill 4 + quality 1 + coprocessor 3 + enh 3 = 14
Dodge ranged: Reactions 9 + Reakt 2 = 11

Blade: Arm agility 9 + skill 4 = 13
Parrying: Reactions 9 + Reakt 2 + Blade 4 = 15

Pistol: Arm agility 9 + skill 4 + smart link 2 = 15
Social: Charisma 3 + Pher 3 + Influence 4 + Empathy 5 = 15
Stealth: Agility 4 + Skill 4 = 8
Athletics: Agility 4 + SKill 1 + Synthi 3 = 8
Pilot: Reactions 9 + skill 1 + handling... = 10 ish
Biotech: Logic 3 + PuShEd 1 + Skill 1 + Medikit 6 = 11
Hacking: Program 3 + skill 4 + PuShEd 1 = 8. hot sim 10
Exploit: Program 5 + skill 4 + PuShEd 1 = 10. hot sim 12.
Legal progs: program 5 + skill 4 + PuShEd 1 = 10. hot sim 12.

I suspect with a bit of tweaking I could get the agility up a couple of points (a point taken off charisma, blades and pistols gets close) this would move stealth and athletics to 10.

[WhiskeyJohnny]

Cool - though it goes in a different direction than I planned.