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[pbangarth]

The incorporation of the word "Aztec" in the name of Aztechnology is a wonderful example of the tradition of adapting/re-interpreting ancient symbols and imagery for modern purposes. You don't have to look hard to find examples of it in our culture.

The usage is even self-referential, as the name Aztec was given by moderns to the ancient people who, as far as we know, never used that name for themselves. We built it from "Aztlan", which was their mythical place of origin, somewhere to the north of their empire, probably around the modern border between Mexico and the United States, and "-tec", meaning people in the Nahuatl language.

Blood sacrifice was a religious tradition throughout the whole Mesoamerican region, including the Maya, Zapotecs, Mixtecs and whole bunch of other peoples. It was considered necessary in order to feed the gods, who needed the energy to keep the world going. No blood sacrifice = weakened gods = end of world.

The Aztecs stepped it up to a whole new level, using human sacrifice also as a justification for imperial conquest, and as a tool of terrorism and oppression. Imagine this scene:

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An annual festival in Tenochtitlán is held, to which all the conquered chiefs and kings are 'invited'. The huge main square, dominated by temples and palaces on all sides, is lined with tables of food and drink, at which the dignitaries are seated. Acrobats, dancers and singers perform in the open space in the middle. Each temple is occupied at the top by priests, and lines of tributary captives from all the vassal states represented here snake up one of each temple's massive stairways. The priests are working non-stop, stretching the captives one-by-one across a giant stone, slicing their chests and tearing out their hearts, tossing them onto sacred fires and dumping the lifeless bodies down another set of steep steps to accumulate at the bottom. Music, dancing, singing, slicing, thump-thumping of bodies. And the smell. The smell of thousands of bloodied corpses and burning hearts.

And the message: We can do this to your people any time we want, and there is nothing you can do about it.
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This is the tradition to which the SR corporation subscribes.

[Doc Byte]

Did we already discuss "Zugwagen"? I don't speak German, but I can recognize a bad fake anyway. "Traincar", c'mon...

A "Zugwagen" can mean a "railroad car", but more frequently it's used with reference to a towing vehicle (esp. when towing a caravan or something similar), while we call the railroad car simply a "wag(g)on".

And just for fun: A tractor unit would be a Zugmaschine and a locomotive a Triebwagen.

[CanRay]

That's true, I'm not hating on either religion, however, how many companies do you see associating themselves with Odin?

Monoc Security Services.

[Fatum]

I dunno, I would say it goes the other way, especially with magic appearing. Practically the only thing I know about the Aztec tradition is that it involves human sacrifice and sometimes demands self-mutilation from it's priests. If some of that stuff started coming out of history books and appearing in the news it would become more common knowledge. Then when you consider that it is the most extreme aspects of any given subject which determine the view that Joe Public is likely to have on it, I would say most people would associate Aztecs and blood magic pretty strongly in 2070.

You forget that the Azzies have the best spin specialists around. Okay, second only to Horizon. So Joe Average thinks of them as the people who feed him with their super-energetic choc bars, not as blood mages and killers. It's mentioned in the fluff several times, too.

[CanRay]

Horizon's the new kid on the block, and specialize in Spin. Aztechnology, at it's core, is still an agricultural and pharmaceutical business. It's that Narco-Terror Gang Front origin.

Just like Saeder-Krupp's main industries are Heavy Metals and Industrial Manufacturing, Ares Macrotechnology is in munitions and automotive construction, and NeoNET's is figuring out a new name for itself (Oh, and computer hardware and software.).

Anyhow, for AZT to have to have such a massive spin department for a company whose primary interest is *FOOD*, well, that should tell you something right there.

...

Or that I'm getting into Plan 9-level conspiracy thinking.

[Sengir]

That's true, I'm not hating on either religion, however, how many companies do you see associating themselves with Odin?

In SR (and most other fictional universes) product names from various mythologies seem to be quite popular...

Practically the only thing I know about the Aztec tradition is that it involves human sacrifice and sometimes demands self-mutilation from it's priests.

And most of what we know about these practices is from Christian missionaries, who obviously were prone to overstating the evils of the old faiths. Which again makes it easy to dismiss such stories altogether as "propaganda by the imperialists who butchered our people" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[CanRay]

Yeah, I'm still not taking any invites to a "Party in my honor" at the top of any of the AZT Pyramids, slot you very much.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

Aztlaner Priest: "Oh come on, CanRay, stop being a whiny boy, no one is going to kill you in there."
CanRay: "And what is this dying screams I hear in there?"
Aztlaner Priest: "Oh, that? They are just uhm... they are just pranking him with hot wax and shave him, no one is gutting anybody and throwing their hearts in a pire, no sire, no gutting in there."
CanRay: "Ah, ok!"

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[CanRay]

I'm a Canadian Civilian, not stupid.

Crazy, but not stupid.

[Sengir]

Yeah, I'm still not taking any invites to a "Party in my honor" at the top of any of the AZT Pyramids, slot you very much.

Blood Mage Gestalt: This is exactly what you want to do *waves hand*

[CanRay]

Blood Mage Gestalt: This is exactly what you want to do *waves hand*

This is what I want to do. *Waves foot into groin* I'm hardly a weak minded fool.

[Seriously Mike]

A "Zugwagen" can mean a "railroad car", but more frequently it's used with reference to a towing vehicle (esp. when towing a caravan or something similar), while we call the railroad car simply a "wag(g)on".

Derp, 's what I meant, I confused "train" with "rail" ("zug" literally means "train", but translating "zugwagen" gave me the "railroad car" result and some synonyms).
Also, going through the splatbooks I find typos all over the place. Shitty names are one thing, editor doing a sloppy job is another.

[CanRay]

It's not just RPG books, editing has gone to hell in all printed media.

My Great Aunt was an editor par excellence (Amongst other things in her life), and what she has to say about the "Professional" work done in novels and newspapers today compared to what they were even ten years ago could fill a book.

If she had more gumption (She's retired), she probably and quite literally would fill a book, and likely get it printed, as well. Without typos or editing errors. (Printers errors, OTOH...).

Funny thing is, I mention "Gonzo Journalism" to her, and her face lights up, "Ah!", and you know there's still a lot of spirit in the old girl. ... Actually, you know that anyhow, it just comes to the surface more with certain topics.

[Fatum]

The problem with RPG books and typos is that the typos are rarely if ever corrected in the new printings of the books.

[Kirk]

It's not just RPG books, editing has gone to hell in all printed media.

My Great Aunt was an editor par excellence (Amongst other things in her life), and what she has to say about the "Professional" work done in novels and newspapers today compared to what they were even ten years ago could fill a book.

If she had more gumption (She's retired), she probably and quite literally would fill a book, and likely get it printed, as well. Without typos or editing errors. (Printers errors, OTOH...).

Funny thing is, I mention "Gonzo Journalism" to her, and her face lights up, "Ah!", and you know there's still a lot of spirit in the old girl. ... Actually, you know that anyhow, it just comes to the surface more with certain topics.

Well, who needs editors when you have spellcheckers. And grammar checkers. I mean, do you know what those people charge just to check spelling and grammar?

(Sarcasm, in case you couldn't tell.)

[CanRay]

The problem with RPG books and typos is that the typos are rarely if ever corrected in the new printings of the books.

They're not corrected on webpages of newspapers or in later print runs of novels, either.

[Fatum]

They're not corrected on webpages of newspapers or in later print runs of novels, either.

In the latter case, yes they are. In Soviet Union, you also had a chance to get a small sheet of paper with typos listed even for the first printing, put there by the after-print control.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

In the latter case, yes they are. In Soviet Union, you also had a chance to get a small sheet of paper with typos listed even for the first printing, put there by the after-print control.

And what about Russia?

Also, in Soviet Union, you get "errata-ed". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Sorry, couldn't help it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif)

[PittsburghRPGA]

Well, who needs editors when you have spellcheckers. And grammar checkers. I mean, do you know what those people charge just to check spelling and grammar?

(Sarcasm, in case you couldn't tell.)

I can tell, but some folks might not know just how much an editor gets in the rpg field.

In the rpg industry, typically a penny a word and usually, a copy of the final product too.

Seems fairly standard too.

Of course, this also requires the project manager to accept all of your edits, which doesn't always happen. Or stop them from sending the pre-edit version to the printers by mistake.

Cordially,

Eric Kiefer
Co-Editor Player's Guide to Blackmoor, Editor Riders of the Hak.

[Fatum]

And what about Russia.

Also, in Soviet Union, you get "errata-ed". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Sorry, couldn't help it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif)

In Russia, it's a free-for-all. Books printed on just-barely-not-toilet paper, riddled with translation errors, typos, and just errors the author made cause he can't even use his native tongue properly are all sights all too common.
The Internet is making it better, sure, with the kind of people to buy that kind of books preferring e-readers and pirating books...

Also, if in Soviet Union, you get errata-ed, what, in the rest of the world, the errata gets you?

[CanRay]

I can tell, but some folks might not know just how much an editor gets in the rpg field.

In the rpg industry, typically a penny a word and usually, a copy of the final product too.

Seems fairly standard too.

Of course, this also requires the project manager to accept all of your edits, which doesn't always happen. Or stop them from sending the pre-edit version to the printers by mistake.

Cordially,

Eric Kiefer
Co-Editor Player's Guide to Blackmoor, Editor Riders of the Hak.

Oh, you'd love me and my work then.

[Kirk]

I can tell, but some folks might not know just how much an editor gets in the rpg field.

In the rpg industry, typically a penny a word and usually, a copy of the final product too.

Seems fairly standard too.

Of course, this also requires the project manager to accept all of your edits, which doesn't always happen. Or stop them from sending the pre-edit version to the printers by mistake.

Cordially,

Eric Kiefer
Co-Editor Player's Guide to Blackmoor, Editor Riders of the Hak.

Cripes, you're underpaid. But knowing what I do of the RPG (heck, the whole gaming) industry that's not an atypical thing.

[CanRay]

Hell, in this economy, it's great to have any job...