SPEESSSS MEHREEENS, ... in my SR! Can it be? Options

[hermit]

Hehe. Makes for a cute campaign. "Collect tissue samples of htese five people."

[Stahlseele]

. . you are one sadistic being you know that? O.o *snickers*
That's worse than the thing with the fruit cakes ^^

[Udoshi]

Hmm . . Drake without the ability to change into Dragon-Form?

I was thinking more along the lines of dragon without the ability to change into dragon form, actually. Screw drakes.

If you look at the feats of primarchs, there's one thing in common: they get scattered throught the cosmos, land, grow up, and are basically the best at -something- on their -planet- within a few years, mostly to the shock and awe of their human relatives.

If you're looking at somewhat accurately statting primarchs within shadowrunverse, a surged troll just isn't going to cut it.

Not to mention most of them have some measure of psychic ability, or resistance to it. I don't think anyone in 40k really has the ability to astrally project, so Magician doesn't quite fit, which is why i suggested Adept earlier.

[hermit]

Not to mention most of them have some measure of psychic ability, or resistance to it. I don't think anyone in 40k really has the ability to astrally project, so Magician doesn't quite fit, which is why i suggested Adept earlier.

Depends on what you think the Warp is, really.

I'd go with adept or mystical adept for them.

Special abilities I know:
Sanguinus - can see the fututre. Also, functional SURGE wings
Lion'el Jonson - has animal empathy
Konrad Curze - can see the future too
Corax - can turn invisible.
Alpharius/Omegon - share a soul
Magnus - has magic, can see the future. Also, SURGE skin color.
Fulgrim - super pretty. also can kill gods with bare hands.
Pertuberato - is, uh, black
Jaghatai Khan - none
Leman Russ - arguably animal empathy again.
Rogal dorn - none
Ferrus Manus - nanoskin on hands and forearms, can weld steel with hands only
Angron - rage inducing cybernetics, extra power
Roboute Guillaume - none
Mortarion - immunity (disease), dependent on toxic atmosphere
Horus - well, none, pre-heresy
Lorgar - gold-plated skin
Vulkan - is ... uh, black, too

[Jareth Valar]

Funny you should start this thread Hermit, I was going to PM you and see if you were interested in sharing your ideas. (Would have done it earlier, but I had to work this weekend) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

I actually have someone playing a character implanted with the geneseed in my campaign. I have an overall arch that involves ALLOT of 40k crossover/4th world/horrors. Glad to share if interested, but will not spam this thread with all that unless asked.

I have been working on SM's being a template/meta variant similar in function to Changelings, and Infected. I have been doing stats on all of the implants as separate pieces instead of my original thought (also in 3rd Ed) and going with pre-existing pieces of ware. These I will gladly share once I re-compile ,my notes.

Big and small of the SM's is Ares found something on Mars....and were finally able to clone a viable copy of the geneseed, and successfully implant it. Thus Project Spartan was born (NO this is not a Halo rip off, it just fits with the whole Ares iconography) and is still in it's infancy.

They have experimented on the common meta's (including Troll....wasn't pretty)

Anyway, I'll compile what I have been doing and post if anyone is interested.

As for Primarchs?...not even going there.

[Stahlseele]

Magnus the Red is also an immensly capable psyker. And a Cyclops. Backt at Troll-Metavariant (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) ^^

Yes please, post all of it here, i wanna see.

[Jareth Valar]

Yes please, post all of it here, i wanna see.

Stats for my SM's? or My whole background story? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif)

[Teryon]

Id like to see both as well, being an avid 40k fan(at least of the fluff).

[Stahlseele]

Stats for my SM's? or My whole background story? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif)

*evil voice* All of them . .

[hermit]

Thirded. All of it.

Also, Magnus is not a cyclops, he just lost one eye. I dunno, an enslaver stole it or some Warp horror ate it or something. He got more Warp lovin' than anyone else after all.

[Stahlseele]

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Magnus

Magnus, as an infant, was dropped onto the remote colony world of Prospero. He was incredibly fortunate to land here, as anywhere else his cyclopean eye would have made him an outcast, shunned and hunted.

[hermit]

In good GW tradition, Prospero Burns totally does away with that.

[scarius]

Personaly I find the SM's to be a bit stupid, because they have "lost" all this tech that they are only just starting to get back.

[hermit]

That's a feature of the world they live in - tech loss is wanted save for with the Mechanicus. They have preserved more than others, even, despite that pissing off the Cult of Tech Support.

[Jareth Valar]

Personaly I find the SM's to be a bit stupid, because they have "lost" all this tech that they are only just starting to get back.

It's an analogy to our own dark ages, where the powers that be kept the general populous ignorant and superstitious, needing to trust their superiors concerning all things scientific and spiritual.

The Space Marines did not follow the general teaching that the Emperor is truly divine, they think he was the greatest of them, but not a god. So they did not loose as much.

However, the Adeptus Mechanicus are the only ones who "truly" understand the "Machine Spirit" (ahem...programming...ahem) of technology. They have spiritualized the concept of technology for a long time, and have kept the deeper secrets available only to those of the cult. They have taken this to the extreme and it is thought that even complex mechanical items have a spirit. (when a gun jams, the machine spirit is upset with you, and the like). It's also thought by some (me included) that even Techmarines hold more loyalty to the Adeptus Mechanicus than their own chapter. So they hold ALLOT of power.

So you have a convoluted power struggle within Adeptus Terra (Ecclesiarchy, Inquisition, Adeptus Mechanicus, etc.). Mixed in with the corrupting influence of Chaos, the aggressive Xeno races (Necron, Orks, Dark Eldar, and Tyranids), and the subtler influences of the Tau and Craftworld Eldar. Fun stuff.

Anyway, there is ALLOT more to it than I posted, but this is the gist of it, IMHO. (Yes, I know I over generalized but.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) )

[Jareth Valar]

OK. This has evolved over several years, and a few things have to be understood (in my universe anyway). The Milky Way is NOT the 40k galaxy in my game, it was oing to be Canis Major before they made more discoveries about it. Still might be, I'd just have to make it a little larger and not as degraded. Anyway, it could easily work as any of the other close neighbors (Sagitarius, Magellanic Cloud, or even Andromeda) I chose Canis Major, specifically, because it was currently colliding with our galaxy.

Also, it was the 41st Century during the 2nd age of Earth in mine as well.

Well, here goes...

[ Spoiler ]

After Abbadon's last crusade chaos went quiet for a while, too quiet. All signs pointed to something bad happening, Increased Eldar activity, the malfunctioning of the Golden Throne, etc.). Eldrad Ulthuan's apprentices (who still held his still active way stones) started having visions so powerful that they felt could NOT be ignored, and felt so intently they sought other craftworlds to help, asking that differences be put aside. These same visions were had by powerful Earth psychers and Librarians. All the visions let to a singular point in space, a small gathering of stars with 1 being of prime importance, Sol.

Abbadon has found a way to navigate past the galactic edge into another galaxy. The point of navigation is only safe/clear through a narrow corridor a few light years wide. (Sol, Alpha Centauri, etc). This would make capturing and holding those stars and planets key to controlling an entire other galaxy, ripe for corruption. (Think Cadia and the Eye).

Scan forward to a MASSIVE battle in and around the Sol system with Chaos against Eldar, Space Marines, Imperial Guard, and Tau. ( I even have a list of the SM Chapters, Craftworlds involved, etc).

Insert the first Scourge of Earth. The battle was, at best, a stale mate. They defeated Chaos (mostly), but the cost was too high. The crash of 3 craftworlds, the complete loss of at least 4 entire chapters (and the crippling of several others), innumerable human lives lost, and the loss of the Tau Fire Clan and Etherals (Nurgle plague, hehehe).

his battle has also caused the local Warp/Astral to become unstable, making their way home unnavigable, and changing the way the Warp affects localized space. The ripples caused here will be felt for thousands of years. (mana cycles).

The years to follow helped shape generations to come. The remaining Tau fled farther into this new galaxy in fear of what will happen to them, as did the remaining SM chapters that could (in search of new stock and a new home). The Eldar and Humans had to survive on a planet already inhabited....by Dragons (descendants/relations of the Old Slaan/Old Ones). Eventually, an equilibrium was found and everyone could try to understand what has happened and figure out was to come.

With the mana cycling down ALLOT (thousands of years) sooner than it should have and the still influencing effects of chaos (and the lack of soul stones, or the ability to create a world circuit) the Eldar were getting nervous and the Dragons concerned having to go into hibernation with all these....lesser beings scuttling about.

A young and very ambitious dragon (Alamais), sought out the leaders of the Eldar with a proposal that could benefit all involved. He has devised a ritual/process that could mask/hide or "piggy back" Eldar DNA within Human DNA (keeping their soul linked to a human one and away from Slaanesh) until the time when the Dragons would re-awaken and a more...palatable solution could be figured out. Depression and desperation were the only reasons they agreed...and the Elves were born.

Over the course of the eons the blood got mingled and the lines of "race" blurred. Abhumans were intermingled with human, human with elven, etc. Then the Awakening of the 4th world. New races developed (Obsidimen, Tskrang, etc) though stable mutations of the mixed DNA and the Name givers barely resembled their forefathers except for the Humans, Dwarf (Squat), Elves (Eldar), Troll (Ogryn), and the most unusual of all Orc (a blending and mutation of geneseed).

Through the manipulations of a faithful few (Alachia to name one) Alamais' betrail became apparent. He had no intention on helping the Eldar back to their original form. Why would he, when he has successfully created a servitor race?........skip forwar...The Scourge (Chaos returns, Daemons mostly, through the Warp/Astral).......flash forward again...

The 6th World. Some dragons trying to position themselves to ensure the Eldar never resurface, some trying to see they do. Ares finding mummified several remains on Mars and starts trying to clone them for study, eventually leading the their discovery of the geneseed and the attempt to re-constitute it (hence Project Spartan)...etc..

These are just the highlights. I have ALLOT more detailed out, but...this should be enough I hope.
I also have 1 other Sci-Fi background thrown into my mix concerning Old Ones/Eldar way gates, but that is a scale of a different color. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Dakka Dakka]

Depends on what you think the Warp is, really.

Exactly. In "A Thousand Sons" IIRC at least Ahriman projected his conciousness into the warp and Magnus entered bodily into the Immaterium even before corruption.

I'd go with adept or mystical adept for them.

Horus - well, none, pre-heresy

In the First two books Horus was described as very charismatic even amongst the Primarchs. So he could be a social adept.

@Jareth Valar: Interesting amalgam of fictional universes.

[hermit]

In the First two books Horus was described as very charismatic even amongst the Primarchs. So he could be a social adept.

And he is super powerful, yes, so he could be a physad with a social slant. Yes.

[Jareth Valar]

@Jareth Valar: Interesting amalgam of fictional universes.

Thank you. I have allot more detail than I listed here, and have been running/playing in this for some time now. So far it blends nicely (according to my players anyway).

I am still interested in other peoples renditions though, as I cannot claim mine are the end all and be all. Hell, I even retooled some things when one of my players pointed out some inconsistencies.

As for the Primarchs, I would even consider breaking the normal cap rules and build them closer to Dragons capabilities (i.e. Sorcery of 12 and all that) or make them their own race and have their attributes high and modified even higher. Sorry, I like to have a clear formula and path to my creations. Even if they are never PC playable, I like the...tidyness? of the process.

[Ryu]

I would just go with augmented Fomori in MilSpec armor carrying Gauss weapons, led by augmented Fomori spellcasters and adepts.

For augmentation I would use delta-grade bioware and cyber senseware. Synaptic Accelerator 3, Muscle Aug/Toner 4, Suprathyroid Gland, Synthacardium 3, Extended Volume 3, Orthoskin 3, a whole bunch of Reflex Recorders, Cybereyes/ears. Spice with solid combat skills to taste and you get a soldier that can move in heavy MilSpec armor GRACEFULLY.

[Udoshi]

Depends on what you think the Warp is, really.

No, i meant it quite literally. Very few people in 40k are capable of detaching their spirit and wandering around the galaxy while their body sits in a corner somewhere. Typically, psykers influence the warp in person. Adept/Mysadept fits a lot more than Magician.

Granted, many super-powerful psykers can influence things on a planetary or galactic scale, but thats definitely not astral projection - its much more akin to ritual magic.
Just incredibly well developed and useful ritual magic, completely unlike the SR4 ritual magic system.

The Charisma Thing is also something to play up. Space Marines in general are people that humanity in generally looks up to. Primarchs, even more so. After all, they were created to be great leaders.

[hermit]

No, i meant it quite literally. Very few people in 40k are capable of detaching their spirit and wandering around the galaxy while their body sits in a corner somewhere. Typically, psykers influence the warp in person. Adept/Mysadept fits a lot more than Magician.

Psykers can (it will only kill them), and Farseers can. But yes, the vast bulk of people will be Adepts/Mystadepts. Much like in Earthdawn, where astral scouting apparently also needs to be bought.

The Charisma Thing is also something to play up. Space Marines in general are people that humanity in generally looks up to. Primarchs, even more so. After all, they were created to be great leaders.

Yeah. Primarchs get the Glamour power. Space Marines probably just high charisma (by chapter though, being a Doom Hawk or Raven Guard certainly detracts somewhat).

[Nerdynick]

I wrote this up awhile back in my free time:

Space Marine Organs
All implants are Deltaware
Larraman’s Organ- Platelet Factories
.1 Essence
250,000 nuyen
Occulobe- Cat’s Eyes and Nictitating Membranes and Reaction Enhancer (3)
.4 Essence
695,000 nuyen
Secondary Heart- Synthacardium (3) [Bicardiac Metagenetic Quality if possible]
.15 Essence
300,000 Nuyen
Biscopea- Muscle Augmentation (4) and Muscle Toner (1)
.1 Essence
280,000 nuyen
Oolitic Kidney- Nephritic Screen (4) and Toxin Extractor (6)
.8 Essence
1,600,000 nuyen
Preomnor- Digestive Expansion
.25 Essence
200,000 nuyen
The Black Carapace- Datajack
.05 Essence
5,000 Nuyen
Haemastamen- Pathogenic Defense (6) and Symbiotes (3) and Trauma Damper
.7 Essence
1,300,000 nuyen
Multi-Lung- Extended Volume (3) and Gills and Tracheal Filter (6)
.85 Essence
1,140,000 nuyen
Lyman’s Ear- Hearing Enhancement
.05 Essence
50,000 nuyen
Sus-an Membrane- Metabolic Arrester
.15 Essence
100,000 nuyen
Betcher’s Gland- Chemical Gland (Spit, Acid rating 6)
.2 Essence
330,000 nuyen
Ossmodula- Bone Density Augmentation (4) and Suprathyroid Gland
.95 Essence
1,250,000 nuyen
Neuroglottis- Bioware Versions of Olfactory Booster (6) and Taste Booster (6)
.2 Essence
150,000 nuyen
Catalepsean Node- Sleep Regulator
.075 Essence
100,000 nuyen
Mucranoid- Orthoskin (3) w/ Smart Insulation and Dragon’s Hide
.475 Essence
1,090,000 Nuyen
Omophagea- Not Available

Total Essence Cost: 5.5
Total Nuyen Cost: 8,840,000

Power Armor
Heavy Military Armor- 42,500 Nuyen
Strength Upgrade (3)
Mobility Upgrade (3)
Gyromount
Chemical Seal
Thermal Damping (3)
Military Helmet- 19,700 Nuyen
Rating 6 Commlink
Camera
Flare Compensation
Image Link
Smartlink
Thermographic Vision
Vision Magnification
Ultrasound Sensor
Total Nuyen Cost: 62,200

[Stahlseele]

Not bad O.o

[Dakka Dakka]

Looks good, except that such marines seem a bit slow, given that they ony have 1 IP.